Here is something of a distraction.

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From: "the Hindmost" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Newsgroups: alt.music.yes
Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 8:46 PM
Subject: "Yes, we are sentient."


> Yowsers, people talk to each other here in ways that if i would have
> done so when i was a youthful mutant, my mommie dearest would have
> slapped my face so hard, it would have gone around and around like
> Daffy Duck's did if she had heard me do so...
>
> I can only imagine what it does to the hearts and the morale of the
> members of yes, who have always seemed fairly decent people (with the
> occasional exception hitherest and yonest)...
>
> It must hurt them a lot inwardly even if they put on an outward
> appearance of "just shrugging it off"...
>
> It would probably please them a whole lot more if "their" newsgroup
> was something that was a source of pride and satisfaction, the "best
> on usenet" they could boast...
>
> The below is something i wrote for another reason, but it would seem
> to apply here as well... It's sort of the "reader's digest" form,
> highly condensed and simplified so it wouldn't be page after page of
> scientific techno-babble that would cure anyone's insomnia....
>
> The weird thing about all of the below  is that i didn't start out
> looking for it. I originally started out fooling around with the work
> of Hawking and Penrose on collapsed stars, which eventually got me to
> working at the sub-quantum level trying to figure out some things...
> While doing so, i noticed that something was going on in my equations,
> something that was causing interference... that there's something down
> there causing problems in our universe's ability to function... i
> still don't really know what the hell it is except that it's some kind
> of parasite...
>
> I did notice that it had some sort of "connections" leading up into
> the more macro universe, and three guesses where those "connections"
> led me up to...
>
> I started with trying to figure out the mechanics of a singularity and
> i ended up explaining some aspects of human behavior... now, that was
> one really, really weird tangent...
>
> (P.s. a starship trooper does as a starship trooper is...)
>
>
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> An Inquiry Into The Unnecessarily Abusive Behavior Displayed By
> Primates To Other Primates And Other Living Things
>
> Primates are unnecessarily abusive to each other to a degree that has
> no logic or rationality.
>
> In this inquiry, what are regarded as "primates" are the various
> species of monkeys, apes, and hominids. Lemurs, aye-ayes, pottos, etc,
> have been misclassified as primates due to the fact that they share
> the same sort of inner ear bone structures as do primates. But they
> aren't primates. Merely relatives who came off the same evolutionary
> branch, but went their own way to become very different sorts of
> lifeforms.
>
> Although the outer appearance of the various species of primates can
> vary to various degrees, psychologically, there is no difference
> whatsoever among any of them. Psychologically, all species are one
> hundred percent identical. The psychology of a baboon is one hundred
> percent the same as a chimpanzee and also one hundred percent the same
> as a hominid. Mentally, the only real difference between the various
> species is the amount of brain cells, particularly in the frontal
> lobes.
>
> Or put in another way, if baboons had become sentient instead of
> hominids, baboons would have just have been as much total screw ups as
> hominids have been. The same for chimpanzees. Or gorillas. Or squirrel
> monkeys, etc, etc, etc.
>
> Although there does seem to be something that happened in the
> evolution of the bonobos that enabled them to escape at least to some
> degree the predetermination to be complete screw ups that has so badly
> plagued the other species of primates.
>
> All species of primates (with the fore mentioned bonobos being
> somewhat of an exception) spend enormous amounts of time devising ways
> to be sadistically abusive each other, and to other lifeforms when
> possible. No matter how illogical and irrational and destructive this
> behavior may be. For some individuals among the various species, they
> literally spend every single moment of their lives plotting, planning,
> and devising ways to be sadistically abusive to others. Awake or
> asleep, they devote virtually the entirety of their mental efforts to
> being abusive.
>
> It is no exaggeration to say that primates have been their worst
> enemy. Nothing else has caused the various species of primates as much
> suffering and unhappiness and discontent as their penchant for
> engaging in sadistically abusive behavior. Predators, disease, etc,
> etc, etc, are a very distant second place as a source of problems
> compared to the primate penchant of engaging in sadistically abusive
> behavior.
>
> Why do primates do this kind of behavior?
>
> No other sort of mammal, avian, arthropod, reptilian, etc, lifeform
> engages in this behavior as "standard operating procedure."
> Non-primates can be very dangerous, particularly the predators. But
> none of them spend their time premeditating a hundred million
> different ways how to be sadistically abusive. Not even cats who
> sometimes will play with their prey before killing it and eating it.
> This is part of their process of being predators.
>
> Lemurs, aye-ayes, pottos, etc, etc, don't spend their time
> premeditating ways to be sadistically abusive.
>
> But primates do. Of all the species of animals, only primates live and
> breathe a constant desire to be sadistically abusive to each other and
> everything else that happens to cross their path.
>
> Why?
>
> When it is investigated as to what else might share this kind of
> behavior, the closest match comes up as viruses. Prions and bacteria
> and other sorts of microbiology can't exactly be described as
> sweethearts in themselves, but viruses come closer than anything else.
>
> The behavioral characteristics of primates and viruses have too close
> of a match to be sheer coincidence. Some of the behavioral
> characteristics are identical. Completely identical.
>
> And the odds of this "just happening" are so extremely high, that it
> is pretty safe to say that there is no coincidence, but a direct
> connection.
>
> Some viruses can and do insinuate their genetic programming into the
> genome of the hosts they infect. And as the hosts reproduce and create
> offspring, they pass the virus genetic material as well as their own
> genes to their offspring. And that virus genetic material will remain
> there for millions of years. It will remain there as long as the host
> species exists unless something happens to remove it.
>
> And not only can viruses become part of their hosts genome, some can
> cause the infected hosts to engage in behavior that is not conducive
> to the well being of the hosts, but is conducive to the "agenda" of
> the viruses.
>
> All viruses, whether they infect plant or animal, are agents of
> sadistic abuse. That's all that they do. They are agents of sadistic
> abuse that cause the hosts they infect suffering and harm. Viruses
> have literally no other purpose. That's what they were "designed" to
> do, and they do it very, very well. Viruses are literally nanobots
> that have been designed/programmed to produce energy fractals of
> sadistic abuse. And those energy fractals are being (fed upon?)
> (utilized?) (some other process?) by something that exists at a far
> smaller level than the viruses and whose exact nature is still unknown
> at this time. In a sense, viruses can be described as the "feeding
> extensions" or "waldoes" of a parasite that seems to exist at a
> sub-quantum level. It is unknown at this time as to the specific
> reason why this parasite has such a craving for the energy fractals of
> sadistic abuse.
>
> Apparently, 40 or 50 million years ago (maybe more, maybe less), some
> sort of viral infection occurred in the group of proto-primates that
> would eventually evolve to become the monkeys, apes, and hominids.
> Since all species of primates are "infected" with the craving to be
> abusive, there has to be a common ancestor who was first infected and
> passed on this infection as it reproduced and evolved into the various
> primates.
>
> With the result of primates have sort of been "free range livestock"
> who have produced enormous amounts of sadistic abuse energy fractals.
>
> Remember that energy is energy, and there all kinds of things in all
> kinds of sizes who "feed" on various kinds of energy. Sadistic abuse
> is just as much a form of energy as microwave frequency photons or
> gravitic energy.
>
> While not much can be said about the behavior of non-hominid primates
> as they aren't sentient, a whole lot could be said about the behavior
> of hominids. A non-hominid primate isn't intelligent enough to
> recognize that a problem even exists, much less to come up with a
> solution.
>
> You as a sentient being, are being used as livestock to feed a
> parasite that cares about nothing but "filling its belly"
> (metaphorically speaking.) Unlike the chimpanzees or baboons, you have
> the ability to say "i ain't nobody's steak-and-potatoes". Among the
> species of primates, you alone have the intelligence to say "i ain't
> your damn slave." Assuming, of course, you have the sheer audacity to
> insist that your life belongs to you and you alone. And only because
> it actually does. If you had any real audacity (for men it would be
> called "balls", for women, "bitchiness") you would completely,
> totally, utterly and adamantly refuse to be livestock to anyone or
> anything. And it is your right as a sentient being for it is
> absolutely forbidden for sentient beings to be livestock as being
> livestock destroys the sentient being's personal ability to manifest
> itself as fully as it can.
>
> If you're a man, prove it. Prove you have the balls that prove without
> even the slightest doubt, that you are not livestock. That you are
> indeed a sentient being, fully and completely. A man who is genuinely
> a man. And being a gentleman of honor, worthy of respect, is one of
> the foremost attributes of a man. And, of course, always, always,
> always, being a real son of a bitch...
>
> If you are a woman, prove it. Prove that you are indeed the most
> ultimate of bitches for no true bitch would tolerate even for a
> picosecond being livestock. Nor would you tolerate your children,
> grandchildren, great grandchildren, etc, being livestock for aren't
> they your descendants? Whether they be actually genetically related to
> you or not (as the lives of adopted or foster children are just as
> important as anyone else's). As a sentient being, it is your absolute
> right to be a sentient being. And you ain't nobody's bitch but your
> own.
>
> And if you are neither man nor woman, well, do the best you can in the
> way that best suits you. A sentient being is a sentient being is a
> sentient being with all the rights thereof. What is known as "gender"
> on this planet, may be completely different on another. Even on this
> planet, many species of plants and animals do not have a specific
> gender. For the well being and welfare of everyone and everything,
> your efforts and abilities cannot be afford to be lost.
>
> One of the most outstanding attributes of sentience is the ability to
> be polite and respectful to others, sentient or non-sentient.
>
> So what are you? The mere, mewling, whimpering, sniveling, docile,
> compliant livestock of a parasite that wants to use you and feed off
> the sadistic abuse energy fractals you produce for its own completely
> selfish reasons? Or are you a sentient being who refuses to be
> anything but a sentient being because it's just too much fun not to
> be?
>
> "The proof is in the pudding."
>
> Do we call you "whimpy, whimpy livestock with no guts or audacity"?
>
> Or do we call you by your name with respect and honor because you
> deserve it? Just like any sentient being deserves to get?
>
>
>
>
>
> .......................................................
>
> Vision Quests of the Last Horse
> through the deepest depths
> of the
> Twilight Zone
>
> http://www.lasthorse.com/index.htm

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