At 09:46 PM 9/22/2002 -0500 Dan Minette wrote:
>Actually, I think you missed the real unwritten rule.  It is assumed, by
>most folks here, that it is a truism that anyone with any political power
>at all is fair game for any criticism.  

I find this to be a curious moral standard.    First, this moral standard
does not comport with my view of Christianity, which does not distinguish
between gossip/insults of public and private figures.    I would be
surprised if this moral standard comported with your view of Christianity.
 Moreover, I don't think that my moral views on this subject are
necessarily uniquely Christian, and I would be surprised if many of the
non-Christians on this List truly felt that anything whatsoever could be
said about public figure.   Additionally, this moral standard that you are
proposing does not comport with legal standards of libel and slander, which
expressly identify that *some* things cannot be said about certain people -
*especially* public persons.

So, let us be clear about exactly what Kat said.   She said that President
Bush is rallying the nation to war, and by definition sending some people
to their deaths, for personal political and economic gain.   This is
morally indistinguishable from murdering to steal somebody's wallet.   In
other words, she has accused President Bush of engaging in one of the most
evil and heinous acts imaginable.  Moreover, she has done this, when by her
own admission, she has not kept up on the situation.

Even if these statements do not rise to the legal standard of libel, it is
conduct completely unbecoming of a moral and civilized individual.
Moreover, the statements are certainly not above criticism, and quite
frankly, asking her if she felt guilty for making a grievous insult
regarding a stuation of which she is admittedly ignorant, is quite simply
pretty mild, diplomatic, and polite compared to the flame war that could
easily have ensued.   

>The worst things you can say about
>Bush are probably true.

Finally, if you seriously believe that above statement, and I find it
nearly impossible to believe that you do, then it may be that we simply
have no common ground on which to pursue this discussion.     The
accusation that Bush is precipitating a war out of his personal political
and economic interest is a lot of things, but "probably true" is not one of
them.

JDG - Who, just for the record, is taking this kind of insult to the man he
votes for personally.
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