----- Original Message -----
From: "J. van Baardwijk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 2:35 PM
Subject: Re: The UN


> At 16:24 22-10-2002 -0500, Dan Minette wrote:
>
> >Where in the UN charter does it say that a country must gain permission
> >before defending itself?
>
> A country's self-defense is an internal matter, not an UN matter.
However,
> invading an other country is an act of aggression, not self-defense.

So, all wars of self defense must stop at the border?  It is wrong to
defeat a country that attacks?  Further, if one decides to sue for peace
short of uncoditional surrender, it is wrong to enforce the terms of the
treaty?



>
> >Your suggestion, that a country should wait until its borders were
> >its borders were crossed would fail the Chamberlin test.
>
> The what? I have never heard of the Chamberlin test.

It is considered a trueism that Chamberlin made a significant mistake by
refusing to stop Hitler's advance into Czechoslovakia.  The Chamberlin test
is whether the rules set forth allow any stronger action than Chamberlin's.

>
> >That is to say, by that rule, England should have done nothing while
> >Hitler took over Austria, Czechoslovakia, and Poland.
>
> England does not have borders with those countries, so when Hitler
attacked
> them, England was not under attack.

So, your argument is that England could only respond to Hitler _after_
English soil is attacked?

Dan M.

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