--- "Adam C. Lipscomb" wrote:
<snip> 
> And, in light of our recent discussions, this
> fascinating and
> thought-provoking interview with retired general
> Anthony Zinni in Salon:
> 
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2002/10/17/zinni/index.html
> 
> Zinni... challenged their suggestion
> that installing a
> new Iraqi government will not be especially
> difficult. "God help us,"
> he said, "if we think this transition will occur
> easily." '
<snip> 
> I also noticed that Gen. Zinni shares Dr. Brin's
> admiration for George Marshall.  Heh.

>From Gen. Zinni's speech to the Middle East Institute:

"The next point I made was that the street had to
remain quiet. A short war helps that, but the mood is
not good. Anti-Americanism, doubt about this war,
concern about the damage that may happen, political
issues, economic issues, social issues have all caused
the street to become extremely volatile. I'm amazed at
people that say that there is no street and that it
won't react. I'm not sure which planet they live on,
because it isn't the one that I travel. I've been out
in the Middle East, and it is explosive; it is the
worst I've ever seen it in over a dozen years of
working in this area in some concentrated way. Almost
anything could touch it off...

"It's the onset of winter in Afghanistan. President
Karzai faces a situation with massive refugee
problems, major reconstruction problems, and
tremendous political fragility in his ability to
govern from Kabul. You'd better fix that one. The last
time we went to help them, we left. We ended up with
Mullah Omar and the Taliban. That is burned into the
memories of the people in the region; they're going to
be looking to us to see if we will stick this one out
and stay with them until they get there. How many of
these can you put on your plate? You can't have those
fail where you want to see a turnaround...

"Do you best work through those issues in
confrontation or cooperation? I think you best work
through them with cooperation. Our other commitments
require that as the leader of the world now and the
last empire standing, not one of conquest but one of
influence that has attempted to be the beacon for the
world and not to conquer the world, how do we best
exert that influence? How do we reach that hand out?
How do we muster the resources of the world, of others
who look to us for leadership, to help in this region
now? How do we cooperate with those in the region that
want to see change and that want stability and reform?
How do we do it in a way that minimizes friction
instead of always resorting to what I spent
thirty-nine years doing, which is resorting to the
gun?"

(This was a link from the Salon article Adam posted:)
http://www.mideasti.org/html/zinnispeech.htm
 

Regarding the mention of continuing unrest in
Afghanistan (from an Oct. 7 article):
http://www.irinnews.org/report.asp?ReportID=30264&SelectRegion=Central_Asia&SelectCountry=AFGHANISTAN

"The clashes follow Friday's attack on a US Special
Forces helicopter northwest of the southern city of
Kandahar. The attack caused slight damage to the
helicopter and injured a crewman, who has been listed
as stable at the US military hospital at Kandahar
airport. About 40 US soldiers have been killed and
over 300 wounded since the US military operations
began late last year.

"Such incidents are disturbing, and security experts
believe that the warlords and their often-hostile
militias remain a major hurdle in stabilising
Afghanistan - despite having forced Al-Qaeda out of
the country and dispersing their Taliban hosts.
Sporadic clashes between various warring factions also
block much-needed recovery and reconstruction work in
the war-ravaged country."

Debbi
The Fat Lady Hasn't Sung Yet Maru

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