--- Julia Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Deborah Harrell wrote:
> > 
> > Umm - another demographic that goes along with
> 'burbs
> > and higher education - delayed pregnancy, fewer
> > pregnancies, poss. less brestfeeding (although
> > actually I think that breastfeeding proportions go
> > *up* with socioeconomics now (reversed
> years/decades
> > ago) ?) - anyway, those are risk factors for
> breast cancer too.
> 
> Those are the ones I *know* were factored in as
> demographic factors.
> 
> If those are the *only* ones that were used to
> determine that the Marin
> County breast cancer rate is actually really in line
> with the rest of
> the US, environmental factors have *nothing* to do
> with the *difference* in breast cancer rates there.
> 
> I think that Dr. Dean Edell touched on this sometime
> last week in his
> radio show, and there might be something at
> www.healthcentral.com about
> it.  I've gotta finish fixing breakfast for my
> in-laws, but I may look it up later.

According to this 2002 paper, the rates really are
higher, and "are probably explained by Marin County's
unique sociodemographic characteristics":

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=12473174&dopt=Abstract
"RESULTS: Marin County breast cancer incidence rates
between 1990 and 1999 increased 3.6% per year (95%
confidence interval, 1.8-5.5), six times more rapidly
than in comparison areas. The increase was limited to
women aged 45-64 years, in whom rates increased at
6.7% per year (95% confidence interval, 3.8-9.6).
Mortality rates did not change significantly in Marin
County despite 3-5% yearly declines elsewhere.
CONCLUSION: Patterns of breast cancer incidence and
mortality in Marin County are unlike those in other
California counties, and they are probably [*]
explained by Marin County's unique sociodemographic
characteristics. Similar trends may have occurred in
other affluent populations for which available data do
not permit annual monitoring of cancer occurrence."
[* _probably_ does not equal _is_, but see 'other
factors' paragragh below]

Another 2002 paper (some of the same researchers)
says,
 "This regional difference in trend by age did not
appear to be due to screening mammography or
[*known]environmental exposures. Cohort exposures to
breast cancer risk factors, such as oral contraceptive
and/or hormone replacement therapy use, may have
contributed to these rate increases. Although the
reasons remain unclear..."  [* known added by me; note
also the _may_]

(A 1998 paper by some of these same researchers did
not find an increase, so if someone hasn't checked for
the latest articles, they could be quoting that one.)

Other factors to consider: alcohol intake (more than 1
drink a day increases breast cancer risk; some studies
say any alcohol _at all_), cigarette use (studies have
found both no effect and increased risk), dairy
product intake (skim/low-fat dairy for premenopausals
reduces risk, but has no effect on post-menopausals),
and occupation (a 2000 article, link to abstract
below, concludes "The results of this study suggest
excess breast cancer risk in a number of occupations
and industries, notably those that entail exposure to
solvents and pesticides." but clearly this is not
conclusive, and more research is needed.)
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=10738708&dopt=Abstract

Re: pesticides and breast cancer: a 2002 paper reports
"Because some organochlorine compounds act as estrogen
agonists or antagonists within in vitro and
experimental animal systems, a possible association of
breast cancer risk with organochlorine exposure has
been hypothesized and investigated. Although a few
studies support this hypothesis, the vast majority of
epidemiological studies do not. While some of these
compounds may have other adverse environmental or
health effects, organochlorine exposure is not
believed to be causally related to breast cancer.
Women concerned about possible organochlorine exposure
can be reassured that **available** evidence does not
suggest an association between these chemicals and
breast cancer."  [emphasis mine]

I want to point out that many studies prior to the
recent Womens Health Initiative study {"Overall, HRT
users had a significantly increased incidence of
breast cancer, stroke, and pulmonary embolism; a
significantly reduced incidence of colorectal cancer
and fractured neck of femur; but no significant change
in endometrial cancer or coronary heart disease."} 
found no significant association between long-term
hormone replacement therapy and breast cancer; now,
because of the increased risk for breast cancer, we
are having to decide about taking women off HRT after
3 to 5 years. 

And just to add fat to the fire, this study used
PremPro, with an estrogenic component that comes from
horses (Premarin = pregnant mare urine); no study of
similar magnitude has used human-type estrogen.  Would
the results be different?  We don't know, but all
chemicals/drugs of the same type/class are not
equal...

Debbi
Eat Your Fruits And Vegetables Maru  :)
(and guys, lest you think you're being ignored:
regular intake of tomato products (like spagetti
sauce) significantly reduces the risk of prostate
cancer - they think it's the lycopenes)

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