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From: "Ronn! Blankenship" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: G-Whiz: Roller Coasters Get Astronaut Rating


> At 08:41 PM 1/25/03 -0600, Dan Minette wrote:
>
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Ronn! Blankenship" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> >Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 2:48 PM
> >Subject: Re: G-Whiz: Roller Coasters Get Astronaut Rating
> >
> >
> > > At 11:51 AM 1/25/03 -0600, Dan Minette wrote:
> > >
> > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > >From: "Robert Seeberger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 11:23 AM
> > > >Subject: G-Whiz: Roller Coasters Get Astronaut Rating
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "What we do know, and what has been substantiated by science"
Gibson
> > > >added,
> > > > > "is that riding a roller coaster imposes less g-forces on the
body
> >than
> > > > > flopping down in a chair, sneezing or skipping rope. Ridding a
roller
> > > > > coaster is far safer than many of our other ordinary daily
> >activities."
> > > >
> > > >An interesting related trivia question.  Say you drop something
solid
> >and
> > > >moderately hard, like a solid piece of glass or a crystal, on a hard
> > > >surface, like a tile floor.  What are the g forces involved when the
> > > >glass/crystal hits the floor?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Depends on how quickly the falling object comes to a halt.
> > >
> > > Assuming it was dropped from a height h and started at rest, at
impact it
> > > will be moving downward with a velocity of sqrt(2gh), so the
acceleration
> > > it experiences will be a = sqrt(2gh)/<delta-t>, where <delta-t>
> >represents
> > > the time it takes the object to come to a halt.  That would depend on
> > > things like the elasticity and tensile strength of the object and the
> > > floor, but I don't know of any equation to compute <delta-t>.
Probably
> >the
> > > best method would be to use high-speed photography to measure the
time
> >the
> > > impact takes . . .
> >
> >Or, to measure the shock when it happens.  The MWD industry is the
roughest
> >enviornment that crystals (such as NaI crystals) and photomultiplier
tubes
> >are expected to perform in. OK, its a pretty standard test in the MWD
> >industry.  The g force for something dropped from a meter  onto a hard
> >surface is typically around 1000  g's.  The shock pulse is about 0.005 s

I dropped a zero.  The shock pulse is only 0.0005 s wide.

> >wide.  There are specifications I've written for detectors (comprising
of a
> >photomultiplier tube and a NaI crystal) to survive these shocks, as well
as
> >6 hours of 20 g rms random vibration.
>
>
> Must be more stringent than the specs for the NaI(Tl) crystals and PM
tubes
> I recall from the unclear lab, or PM tubes used in astronomy.  Although
> fortunately I haven't actually tested any of them for impact resistance .
. .

Very much so. Designing packaging to meet those tolerances is a tremendous
challange: especially when it is 20 g rms at 175C.  A lifetime test for
areospace is considered light qualification screening for MWD.[1]

Dan M


[1]  I should probably define this for new folks on the list.  MWD is
Measurement While Drilling (oil wells).




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