----- Original Message -----
From: "Marvin Long, Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 10:00 AM
Subject: Re: war and peace

>
> Knowing this, then, and knowing that Europeans are not an
undifferentiated
> mass of cynics, why indulge in this rather odd and (IMO) misleading
> formulation of American idealism?

Because that type of idealism is at the foundation of the US.  Lincoln said
the US was "the last, best hope of mankind."

> Is manifest destiny the only language  of idealism at hand?

Why do you keep on using loaded terms that do not relate to the question at
hand?  Manifest Destiny refers to the concept that God gave the swath of
land that is now the continuous 48 states to the United States, and that we
had a right to take that land by any means necessary.  The idealism that I
hear Bush speak of is that, having been blessed with both liberty and
power, we have an obligation to protect and expand that liberty worldwide.

Spiderman is a closer comparison: with great power comes great
responsibility.

>For all the people who respect and admire America's
> accomplishments but are nervous about our growing power, what language
> could be more unnerving then that particular choice?  And for Americans
> who doubt that this is the best use of our power, who haven't made up
> their minds (like me)...it's just not helpful.  Not for me, anyway.

But you seem uncomfortable with the very thought of objective morality.  It
sounds that the assumption that we can know right from wrong and act upon
it is at the core of your discomfort.  (I chose "sounds like" very
deliberately, because I certainly am not in a position to tell you what is
at the core of your discomfort.  I am merely in a position to tell you what
your posts sound like to me.  I'd appreciate clarification.)

Dan M.


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