--- Gautam Mukunda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- Deborah Harrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > But it is not anti-American to be critical of poor
> > policies.  I caught flak for that back in high
> > school Civics class... <shrug>
> > Not A Sheep Maru
> 
> Not in the least.  But when that criticism is mated
> with giving America's enemies the benefit of every
> doubt,

All of the folks I know who want 'more proof' or a
'UN-sanctioned international coalition' before war is
declared think Saddam is a monster who ought to have a
bullet through his head - so they are not giving him
any 'benefit' WRT his heinous crimes and his basic
unfitness to be a nation's leader.  

> and when the people who make those criticisms
> seem so enthusiastic about it, but acknowledge only
> grudgingly and with poorly concealed ill grace the
> good that has been done by the US - then you start
> to
> wonder.  Since that description fits the "war
> protesters" - otherwise known as the "pro-Saddam
> movement" - to a T, it's hardly unfair that they
> face that criticism. 

Why equate "war protester" with "pro-Saddam?!" -
again, the vast majority of those I know who "protest
the war" do so _because they think an international
coalition ought to be made_ to prosecute it (OK, one
that involves the UN), not b/c they think SH is
anything other than a slime-ball.

> When people _always_ criticize the
> US, and are so eager to do so, but turn a blind eye
> to
> the vastly larger faults of those who oppose her,
> then
> they should be prepared to be called on it.  It's
> not
> censorship to be criticized, difficult as it is for
> some people to understand the distinction.

I am genuinely puzzled by the "but turn a blind eye
> to the vastly larger faults of those who oppose
her,"
Gautam, because I really don't know *anyone* who
thinks that way.  I am certainly among those _who
expect America to hold to a higher moral standard_
because - well, because we're *supposed* to be morally
superior to the nasty dictators of the world!  Part of
my dismay at the way this Administration has handled
policy is that it *is not* behaving in what I consider
a "grown-up" way, a sensible way, a way which
considers the importance of America's world image, a
way which acknowledges that 'reforming Iraq' will be a
difficult task with uncertain choices.  Instead they
*treat American citizens as too stupid to understand*
what's going on (or else undeserving of knowledge of
the uncertainties ahead).  To borrow a hip-hop term (I
think :}), they are dissing not only allies and
friends, but the American public.

Why is this important?  Because a sheriff, in the
idealized Old West, is not only supposed to pack a gun
and shoot well, but be honest and open: "It's gonna be
a heck of a fight, and it'll mean each an' ev'ry one
of you has to help; some of you will die.  I said I
was gonna help fix the livery stable an' improve the
school an' get a clinic goin', but those things are
gonna have to wait until this pack of bandits is dead
or jailed..."  [IOW, promising to cut taxes _and_
spend more on prescription drugs _and_ prosecute a war
etc. is either hopelessly naive, or a pack of lies.]

Debbi
who is surprisingly not a Capricorn  ;)

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