On 9 Mar 2003 at 11:59, Jon Gabriel wrote: > >>>As for the security of the people of Israel, I think the IDF is > >>>quite capable of defending Israel -- as is proven by the fact that, > >>>despite several wars, the state of Israel still exists today. > >> > >>Jeroen, have you ever been to Israel? > > > >No -- and I am not planning on going there in the forseeable future > >either. > > I asked for the following reason: I have it on good authority from > people who have been (including my wife) that the original, > established borders are completely indefensible. From what I > understand, (and perhaps Andy Crystal could back me up on this?,) in > many areas returning to the original borders would be the equivalent > of drawing a line down the middle of the center of say, Paris, and > handing the east section over to a group of people who have sworn to > eradicate the people who live in the west section through genocide > attacks and any means necessary.
The plan is - and allways been - to divide the land where there is a majority of the population, for 90%+ of the terratory. If there is to be a Palestian state, the displaced Palestians will have to accept - and this is valid under international law - cash in repayment for the land they lost. That's CURRENT use, hence some are being offered farmland prices for what they left desert. In return, they give up any clame to living in Israel. After all, they'd have their own state and the cash to buy land and a house. Why would they NEED to live in Israel? > As for your assertion that the IDF can capably defend Israel, this is > obviously inaccurate, since the IDF has proven ineffective against > terror attacks. If the IDF were effectively defending Israel, The IDF is capeable of defending Israel against *EXTERNAL* threats. > It is doubtful that without US support Israel would exist today. I > believe that the only reason the Arab nations haven't pushed the Jews > into the Mediterranean Sea (as they intended to during the Six Days > War) up until now is Israel has had US backup. mm...maybe in the War of Independence, Israel needed it, but since then we'd have managed fine, thanks. The Six Day war alone should incicate to you the kind of men the IDF had and has on it's planning staff. Andy Dawn Falcon _______________________________________________ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
