--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Gautam Mukunda wrote:
--- "Marvin Long, Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Ha!  I group you three as people who have advanced
> > persuasive pro-war
> > arguments that made me stop and think about my
> > prejudices and fears.  
> > Which remain, but their accuracy remains to be seen.
> > 
> > Marvin Long
> 
> Why thank you Marvin.  

Thank you as well.

> But if you think you're scared - I'm so jittery right
> now I can barely think straight. 

And let me second this as well. 

I know that I probably come off as pretty cavalier about US foreign 
policy, and the need for "liberation" in Iraq and elsewhere.  This 
comes out of my strong moral conviction that we must do the right 
thing, and that sometimes the right thing brings with it not only 
great benefits (like a far more free and peacefull world) but also 
great costs.   I probably don't say it often enough, but I truly 
believe that the US is in the middle of a Second World War-scale 
struggle, both in terms of the stakes (the survival of western 
civilization) and the costs (tremendous sacrifice by almost all 
Americans, including the lives of many soldiers.)   

Moreover, I think that Gautam used exactly the right word to describe 
my mood this moring - scared.  I think that there is probably a 
better than even chance that Saddam Hussein will use chemical 
weapons - perhaps on a massive scale.  I expect them to be almost 
certainly used on US troops (particularly once we encircle Baghdad, 
as seems to be the current war plan), I expect it to be highly likely 
that they are used against Israeli civilians, and I think that there 
is a not insignificant chance that Hussein will use them on his own 
people (or at least try to do so), so as to create the US's worst 
nightmare: masses of humanity, possibly fleeing a chemical attack, 
running straight into our armed forces.   I don't think words can 
express just how bad such a situation might become for us.  

I remain optimitic that this war can be won quickly and easily, but 
the *fear* of what could go wrong is definitely present.

So for probably the first and only time in my life, I will quote US 
Sen. Arlen Specter: "The risks of going to war are great, the risks 
of not going to war are greater."

> In my lifetime the stakes have
> never been so high, for the US and the world.

Well, I might rank the world situation in 1986-1991 (Rejykavik - 
Soviet coup), as on par with this situation, but yeah, exactly 
right.  If the US fails* here in disarming a rogue State, even before 
it goes nuclear, the prospects for Western Civilization in the 
Terrorism Age look grim.  

JDG - Turning Point, Maru

* - fails defined as paying such a heavy price, ala Vietnam, that the 
US would almost never consider engaging in such a disarmament anytime 
in the near-to-medium term.

P.S. A question mostly for Gautam, since he seems to circulate in 
Poli Sci circles much more than most (its his degree after all), but 
is it just me, or is the Soviet Coup one of the least-studied and 
least-analyzed events of the last 15-25 years, or what?   I mean, 
whatever happened to those guys?  How did it happen?  And how could 
it happen again?   

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