Alberto Monteiro wrote:
> 
> David Hobby wrote:
> >
> > Nice find!  Germany did have long democratic traditions to
> > work with, though.  It had just momentarily forgotten them.  : )
> > Not that that could happen any place else.
> >
> Uh? Long democratic traditions??? Germany was a democracy
> from some time after WW1 to 1933+ [Hitler was elected democratically,
> and remained a democratic ruler until he could blame the Commies for
> putting fire to the Reischstag [sp? the Congress.de] - so a little
> over 10 years. Before that, it was an Absolute Monarchy under the
> Kaisers since 1870 or so, before that it was either under the Absolute
> Monarchy of the Austrian Habsburgs or local princes since 1000 or so,
> before that it was an Absolute Monarchy under the heirs of Charlemagne,
> etc.
> 
> Germany had *no* democratic traditions at all

        None?  Not even whatever filtered in from Switzerland?
And what of the failed revolution of 1848?

http://www.zum.de/whkmla/region/germany/ger1848.html

        You win, but it was STILL much better than Iraq is 
now.

                                        ---David
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