On 5 Oct 2003 at 0:04, Bryon Daly wrote:

> >From: Ronn!Blankenship <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>         So they do exist?  O.K..  (But aren't there kits to refill
> >>the cartridges, then?)
> >
> >I don't know if this is currently in use or was simply being
> >mentioned as a possibility, but I read something awhile back about
> >the chips in the cartridge keeping a count of how many pages were
> >printed, and after n pages the cartridge would simply stop working
> >until it was returned to be refilled and the counter chip reset by
> >the company, so even if you refilled the cartridge yourself, the
> >printer still wouldn't work.
>
> Epson printers for sure are chipped (eeprom, not RFID, tho) to make
> them hard to refill.  The eeprom tracks how much ink is used, so the

I have a cheap Epson I keep arround for the 2-3 times a year I need
to print in colour. I don't even HAVE a black cartridge in the
thing...

> If you want to refill your ink cartridges, there's really only one
> clear choice, which is Canon printers.  Their ink carts are clear so
> you can see the ink level, they are not chipped, and they are easy to
> refill, so there's a whole boatload of 3rd-party ink suppliers that
> support them.

In terms of Inkjets anyway. Most laser cartridges IME can easilly be
refilled.

> >>         Good for the EU.
> >
> >Seconded.
>
> Thirded.  I hate the razor/razor blade marketing some of these
> companies do with their printers and ink cartridge pricing, which
> results in astronomical costs per page for some of these printers, and
> also cases where a set of ink cartridges for some low-end printers
> cost nearly as much as buying a brand new printer (which comes with a
> set of cartridges)!

It IS pretty silly. Then again, a *refill* for my laser printer cost
me £70. To put that in perspective, I print a lot and a mostly-full
cartridge lasted me two years. My printer's an old Kyocera FS-3600.
They're old 16ppm medium-office lasers, and I picked it up "broken"
(right, 15 minutes of cleaning...) for £130. One of the best deals
I've ever made... (and being Kyocera, I don't have to worry about
drum replacets either. The drawback is it CAN'T handle graphics of
any size, but hey this is what a network and housemate's printers are
for :P)

Andy
Dawn Falcon

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