----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John D. Giorgis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2004 11:47 AM
Subject: Re: Mexican Diplomat Charged With Helping Smuggle Arabs Into
U.S.


> At 05:21 PM 12/31/2003 -0600 Robert Seeberger wrote:
> >Almost a month after Ortiz was arrested, Homeland Security
Secretary
> >Tom Ridge said: "The bottom line is, as a country we have to come
to
> >grips with the presence of 8 to 12 million illegals, afford them
some
> >kind of legal status some way, but also as a country decide what
our
> >immigration policy is and then enforce it."
> >
> >No, Mr. Secretary. We already have immigration laws. It's your duty
to
> >enforce them. If the arrest of a Mexican diplomat for helping to
> >smuggle Arabs into the U.S. can't convince you of the need for
that,
> >what will?
>
>
> Actually, Ridge is right.    If the US were to somehow manage to
enforce
> its immigration laws and remove 8 to 12 million workers from our
economy -
> the effects on the US would be catastrophic.
>
> As a nation, we need to come to grips to reconciling our immigration
and
> economic policies.
>

What's wrong with Ridges statement is that we already have an
immigration policy. It is not being followed. It is being actively
circumvented.

It is not in any way a problem that people are flocking across our
border.
But there are problems and 2 come to mind immediately.

First, the people coming across illegally are for the most part
skilless, ignorant villagers fresh out of the rain forests. I am
around them all the time.
They are not stupid and for the most part not lazy, but they are
uneducated and do not speak the language the rest of us speak. This
would not be too much of a problem if it were a limited situation such
as we had with the Vietnamese immigrant wave or the early Cuban waves.
It could be dealt with

What make this a problem is that there are millions of them and mostly
they "refuse" to learn English. This is probably not viewed as a
problem by people who see Mexicans as a means to cheap lawn care, but
when I have to tell a guy not to spray a live transformer with a
pressure washer I have to "hope" that he understands well enough and
that he won't be injured or killed as soon as I am out of sight. (This
is a problem I have run across many times, ignorance and an inability
to communicate)

The "refusal" to learn English brings up the second problem. I suppose
you might call it the Balkanization of the melting pot. As long as we
encourage immigrants (illegal or not) to isolate themselves from the
rest of our society by providing them with preferential treatment in
the form of multilingual signage for example (Please exclude airports
and tourist destinations from this argument), they will continue to
form insular communities.
I call it preferential treatment because we do not provide the same
kinds of helpful accommodations for Indians, Pakistanis, Chinese,
Germans, Dutch, Portuguese, etc......

But at the basics, I don't care if its Tom Ridge, GW Bush or Bill
Clinton, you just cannot selectively enforce laws for the sake of
expedience.

xponent
Running Rantant Maru
rob


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