> Perhaps you arrest and tort..., ah,
> thoroughly interrogate 99 basically innocent profilees to snare a single
> operative or active supporter.
> 

We. Don't. Torture. Period. Besides being despicable, it almost never works. 
Most people will say ANYTHING to stop being tortured.

I understand the "ticking timebomb" argument (not that I agree with it), but 
that can hardly apply to a situation where you basically torture anyone you 
can find without any probable cause at all.

To some extent, a war against terror requires some necessary if distasteful 
tradeoffs. I think what is going on at the moment goes WAY far beyond the bare 
minimum necessary. I think Bush and Ashcroft have contempt for civil liberties 
and are overjoyed to have an excuse to do what they want to anyway. 

If distasteful methods sometimes have to be utilized in the field, under the 
exigencies of an ongoing operation or a well reasoned fear that an attack is 
imminent, well, maybe (although it makes it difficult if not impossible to 
complain if and when the other side treats your people the same way). But that 
clearly did not happen in this case. They arrested the guy for almost no reason, 
interrogated him, had absolutely no reason to think he was any kind of 
terrorist - and had him tortured anyway. Practicalities aside, why doesn't that 
infuriate you? How can you defend treating the guy this way?



Tom Beck

www.mercerjewishsingles.org

"I always knew I'd see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed I'd see the 
last." - Dr Jerry Pournelle
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