>       He probably means that the Essenes, who existed
> before
> Jesus was born, were essentially Christians in their
> beliefs and 
> rituals.  A good case for this can be made.
> (Try http://www.essene.com/   --"for entertainment
> purposes only".)
>       If you insist on some tautological definition like
> "Christians are those who profess belief in Christ,
> etc", then
> it is probably false that there were Christians
> before Christ.
>       But if you want to call all of the early
> Jesus-cults
> "Christians", you might well cast your nets so wide
> that you
> catch the Essenes too.

That's an interesting point, but I would reject them
as "christians" since I AM working from a narrow
definition, that to be a christian implies a belief in
Jesus and his role as a messiah. If this is what the
Fool intended in his post, I allege he was being
uneccessarily vague and imprecise.

Damon.
> 
>                               ---David
> 
> So the doctrine of the Trinity was an attempt to
> produce some
> unity among the various early Christian sects? 
> (Either that, or
> "Three gods for the price of one".)
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