--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "John D. Giorgis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> At 05:12 PM 3/13/2004 -0800 Doug Pensinger wrote:
> >>>> One poorly stood conclusion of economics is that "Buy 
American" 
> >>>> campaigns
> >>>> (or as Doug recently suggested, "Loyalty Polcies") are 
actually highly
> >>>> counterproductive.
> >>>>
> >
> >We were discussing the relationship between employers and 
employees.  Why 
> >is employer loyalty essentially "buy American?"
> 
> Its two sides of the same coin.
> 
> In your example, the producer's choice is essentially between 
loyalty to
> the current employee *or* contracting out the employee's job to a
> lower-cost overseas producer.    Certainly, in the short term, the 
employer
> can either accept lower margins or else rely upon the willingness 
of
> consumers to "buy american".    In the long term, however, this is
> unsustainable - the employer will be forced to choose the best 
combination
> of quality and price available for his inputs.  
> 
> I'm not sure by what you mean that employers should not "kick their
> employees."  Forgive me if I am putting words in your both, but I 
once
> argued with someone who firmly believed that employees had a right 
to not
> have their jobs become obsolete, and my best interpretation of 
your remarks
> is along similar lines.


What would you think of a system where the employees would have to 
each own an equal part of a company?

It's fiction, but what whoudl you think, It's not socialism, but it 
has some simmilarities.

It just seems to me that the best model for maintaining a high 
quality of life is a capitalist economic system where the focus is 
not on the ability for individuals to aquire welth, but on the 
economic well being of the members. Employee ownership seems to fit 
this consept.

National ~ownership~ is the natural extension of this consept and 
perhaps a better first step.

In any event, this idea that it doesn't matter if jobs are destroyed 
or moved becouse more will be created is fatacy at best. There is no 
reason for the average workor to be a pawn in the games of the 
wealthy. 

As long as the leaders in a system are concientious of how their 
actions affect the individual, and as long as they have compasion 
and national regional and local loyalty the individual benifits. 
When they care more about themselves, the system emplodes and the 
system failes in a ripple effect out from that individual.

An ethical capitalist has the following set of prioritis: 
Environent, Nation, State, County, City, Company Employees, Self.

The problem is that it seems the best way to postpone the negative 
effects of neglecting any priority in favor of ones self, is to 
begin to directly cause negative effects starting as close to 
oneself as possible and then working out from there.

For me this is mostly socio-fiction but I know there are a lot of 
economists out there and I would like to know what they think.

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