--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Tom Beck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Some of the people who made those predictions are now very unhappy
> > with the culture they live in.
> 
> Big deal. Do YOU think the world has gone to hell because Jews 
aren't  
> discriminated against, because African-Americans can play in the 
major  
> leagues and vote and hold office in the deep South and marry 
anyone  
> they want? I don't think anyone on this list actually feels that 
way.  
> At least, I hope nobody on this list does.
> 
> > If anyone actualy fits this stereotype then I would bet that they
> > think things really have already "gone to hell".
> 
> What stereotype? There really were people who predicted the end of 
the  
> world when Congress passed the Civil Rights Acts of the 1960s. I  
> remember. The arguments being made now against same-sex marriage 
were  
> made, practically word-for-word, by the people who made arguments 
in  
> the past against interracial marriage. In 1936, the president of 
Yale  
> University called for "an Armenian style massacre against the Jews" 
of  
> Connecticut (wonder what he felt like in 1945?) because so many 
young  
> Jewish students from the area were entering Yale.
> 
> I think it's America's glory that we have progressed along the road 
to  
> greater equality for all. I don't care that some few at the 
fringes  
> would define that as degeneration. If we permitted that attitude 
to  
> hold sway, interracial marriage might still be illegal in many 
states.  
> Anyone who thinks abolishing discrimination means the world is 
going to  
> hell - as far as I'm concerned, they can go to hell themselves.
> 

Tom, take a step back and lower the emotional. 

Nothing can be gained (in my opinion of course) from embeding oneself 
in the situation.

If you can see it from an objective view then you can more easily 
find a solution.

Their minority view can not be invalid simply becouse you don't agree 
with it, any more than your minority views can be becouse they don't 
agree with you.

A go-to-hell attitude does nothing to persuade. 

Besides, when you actualy talk to people who have the views that were 
mentioned you find that each individual has a different set of those 
views, and that they are equaly appaled about the ones they do not 
share.

It's not black and white, and the motivations of these views are not 
allways what you think they are. End the end to make a change, (or 
prevent one) you have to acknowledge that these people are just as 
human.

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