> Travis Edmunds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >From: Deborah Harrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> >Oh, dear, I don't have those posts anymore...but
one
> >issue had to do with the existence of God (I had
> never
> >questioned that until sometime in college), of
which
> >I was absolutely certain, and quite vehement about
> it.
> >(Now, I'm still certain, but acknowledge that there
> >is no proof whatsoever, and figure that the Divine
> >must have a good -even warped! - sense of humor.)
 
> Do you really believe that, or are you just being
> witty? <sniplet>  It's just genuine curiosity.
> Besides, the whole argument 
> is ultimately futile, and Robert had a nice
> summation of the whole situation 
> a few weeks ago anyway.

Yes, I actually do believe that -- I'll go so far as
to say sometimes the Divine's humor is downright
twisted.  At least it seems so from the trenches of
mortal humanity.  My relationship* to the Divine
varies from awed to furious to bewildered, and 'most
everything in-between. 
*Perceived relationship, for you purists out there. 
:)
 
> >Another was that 'absolute certainty' about most
> >things/issues
 
> Question: Do I really come off like that? 
<sniplet> 

I _did_ say in a later post that that paragraph came
off rather arrogantly, but yes, in a few instances
your posts did.  Please note that *I* come off
arrogantly certain at times -- quite honestly, I might
add.  ;)
 
> >-- and my conviction that I wouldn't be changing my
> >mind just because of experience*
 
> I think we are, or in this instance, were, similar.
> That is definitely a 
> good example of how I *sometimes* think.
 
Of course there are ideas and memes that few if any of
us think would ever be altered by anything, and why
should they be?  Freedom, responsibility, compassion,
etc. etc. -- these are, to my mind, enduring values. 
I didn't mean to imply that having no convictions at
all was a virtue, only that an open mind is better
able to perceive Reality.  As much as a human/sentient
being is able to, anyway.  :)
 
<snip> 
> >It is a much tougher world-view, because I see
> >various facets of issues, and cannot easily dismiss
> >others' opinions without at least trying to
> >understand them.

> That's interesting. Interesting because I see some
> similarity in our 
> thinking, but we have different approaches to
> things. In the above instance, 
> I certainly would see various facets of issues. In
> fact, I can't think any 
> other way! However, I would without a doubt EASILY
> dismiss someone's 
> opinion, if that opinion was based on a blind stand
> behind some issue that 
> was seen as purely black & white by that person. You
> have probably seen me 
> do this many a time. And perhaps that's where the
> "absolute certainty" thing comes from...I dunno.
 
Not to be ageist again, but 2 decades ago I frequently
did automatically discount what I considered
ridiculous opinions; now I at least wonder "what made
them believe such nonsense?"  Rob and I think Dan made
cogent points about this in earlier posts.
<snip> 

Debbi
O'erweening Arrogance And Genuine Humility Maru   ;D

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