A message from Jeroens Brin-L. I sadly note that John Doe never posted there before this message. I don't suppose Mr Doe recognises how obvious and transparent the ploy appears now.
xponent High Visibility Maru rob PS...I won't be forwarding messages from there again. That would be enabling. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Doe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 2:55 AM Subject: Over on that other Brin-L... > As Nick Arnett decided to unsubscribe me from that other Brin-L list on > charges of being Dutch and wanting to protect my privacy, allow me to give > you some information here. Feel free to forward my message to that other > list. > > > >From: Nick Arnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: Re: [ADMIN] Pseudonymous postings from the Netherlands > >Date: Sun, 04 Apr 2004 17:51:29 -0700 > > > >Deborah Harrell wrote: > > > >>If your supposition is correct, I agree; people are > >>capable of change, and should be allowed to > >>demonstrate that. > > > >Certainly. Elsewhere. > > > >Subscribing under a pseudonym doesn't demonstrate positive change to me. > > This assumes that I am the same person as Jeroen van Baardwijk, which Nick > Arnett sofar has failed to prove. Apparently he's so paranoid that he will > throw out anyone who posts from The Netherlands and wishes to protect his > privacy. I think he should include a statement about that on his website, > something along the lines of "Due to list owner paranoia, residents of The > Netherlands are adviced not to subscribe to this mailing list unless they > wish to be subjected to a witch hunt by the list owner and be removed if > they refuse to provide proof of identity". > > I'ts gonna be real fun on that other Brin-L: every time a new subscriber > shows up, Nick's paranoia will raise its ugly head again because the new guy > might or might not be Jeroen. I suspect that any new subscriber there will > be viewed with extreme suspicion now, and be treated accordingly. > > >In a moderated message, "John Doe" says he's "holding off on answering" my > >direct question about his identify, so I'm going to assume that he is the > >person I suspected. > > In other words, any Dutch subscriber is automatically suspected of being > Jeroen, even though the only evidence in that direction is that posts > originate in The Netherlands and the poster has a posting style similar to > his (although the origin alone will probably be enough to be considered a > suspect and be preemptively removed). > > Now, what Nick Arnett *didn't* tell the list is *why* I said I'd be holding > off on answering his question. I wrote that I wanted him to answer a few > questions first. I forgot to tick the "Copy Message to Sent Folder" when I > sent that message, so I'll have to do this from memory, but IIRC I asked > him: > > 1. Are you going to hold a grudge against Jeroen forever? That's not very > mature, is it? > 2. How can I be sure that you'll believe me if I say that I am not the same > person as Jeroen? > 3. What would you do if I'd say that I am indeed Jeroen? > > The answers to the first and last questions will be blatantly obvious... > > I think I also mentioned something about him being engaged in a paranoid > witch hunt. For the exact phrasing, ask Nick Arnett to forward that post to > the list. > > In short, Nick Arnett decided that nobody was allowed to see my message > because it contained some apparently awkward questions. Nick seems to > believe that transparancy and accountability are wonderful things, as long > as he can be exempted from them. It appears that he thinks the title of > "list owner" gives him the right to run the place like a dictator and throw > out anyone he personally dislikes or suspects of being a specific person. > > He'll probably claim that he has done nothing wrong if and when you confront > him with it. But then, no dictator has ever been able to admit to being > wrong. Comes with the job, I guess... > > BTW, I sent Nick a message and gave him a chance to redeem himself. > Unsurprisingly, he never replied. > > JD - For The Sake Of Transparancy And Accountability > > P.S. Apologies for misusing this mailing list for this. I now return you to > your regular discussions. > > P.P.S. This message is also sent to the people who, on the other list, > participated in the "discussion". To protect their privacy a bit, they are > BCC'd rather than CC'd. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Play online games with your friends with MSN Messenger > http://messenger.msn.nl/ > _______________________________________________ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
