I meant to respond to an earlier thread WRT this
topic, but got sidetracked, so...

> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> ....It is also the reason that
> Susan Brownmueller's theory 
> that rape is a political act to keep women down,
> that it is about power rather 
> than sex seems kind of silly. Why would the rapist
> risk jail or worse to 
> advance male dominance? If it is about power rather
> than sex why are rapists almost 
> always young men and rape victims young women? Rape
> is about sex and it is as 
> Damon points out part of the male drive to procreate
> by hook or crook. 

I agree that rape is certainly not a "political act,"
but if it was *only* about procreation then no child,
man or older (i.e. post-menopausal) woman would ever
be raped.  Even if it was *only* about sex, here and
probably in most of the developed world, any guy can
get sex if he has the money to pay a hooker.  (I don't
know the actual going rates, but have heard that as
little as $50, or less, will suffice in some cases.) 
If a guy has _some_ degree of chutzpah, charisma,
humor, deception or good looks, he stands a chance to
'get some' from a bar encounter.  And 'Rosie' is
available to all!

Rape is about humiliation, power and by-the-way sexual
gratification.  It is the thrill of the forbidden hunt
and 'substitution kill.'  It is the mark of the
viciously uncaring, overweeningly arrogant, or
disgustingly deviant.  In the case of child incest,
the perpetrator is pathetically inadequate
emotionally, and unable to deal with another adult on
intimate terms.

Stats:
-1 of 6 U.S. women has experienced a rape or attempted
rape. (2000)
-Victims of rape and sexual assault report that in
nearly 3 out of 4 incidents, the offender was somebody
they knew.
-Approximately 28% of victims are raped by husbands or
boyfriends, 35% by acquaintances, and 5% by other
relatives. (U.S. Department of Justice, 1994. Violence
by Intimates. Bureau of Justice Statistics. )
http://www.vanderbilt.edu/ProjectSafe/statistics.html

-15% of rape victims are younger than 12
Lawrence Greenfeld, Bureau of Justice Statistics
"Sex Offenses and Offenders" (1997) 
-29% of rape victims are 12-17 years old 
-Convicted child molesters who abused girls had an
average of 52 victims each. Men who molested boys had
an astonishing average of 150 victims.
(In a study funded by the National Institute of Mental
Health; Dr. Gene G. Abel, Emory University)
-29% of rape victims were younger than 12.
("Rape in America," 1992 - Nat'l Crime Victims
Research & Treatment Center; Medical College of South
Carolina; "One of the things that surprised us was
that rape in America is a tragedy of youth." -
Professor Dean Kilpatrick, co-author)
-1 in 3-4 girls is sexually abused before age 18. 
-1 in 6-8 boys is sexually assaulted by age 18. 
http://www.childlures.com/research/statistics.asp
[NOTE: this is a private group, so some of the numbers
could be skewed, particularly if self-surveys were
used (I'd guess that a victim of child abuse would be
more willing to answer a survey about it than someone
who was not).  Another confounding factor, I presume,
is teens/young folk who thought they wanted to have
sex, then later panic'd and thought they didn't
actually consent.]

About 1/4 of the way down the page of this U.S.
Department of Justice site is a table re: violent
crime, broken down by age.  Victims of rape/sexual
assault (entire range not typed here), by percentage:
Age 12-14:  8%
    15-17: 12%
    18-21: 21%
... 50-64:  2%
    65+  :  1%

-Except for homicide data provided by the Uniform
Crime Reports, the tables in this report include data
from the redesigned National Crime Victimization
Survey (NCVS) for 1992, 1993, and 1994.  The NCVS
obtains information about crimes, including incidents
not reported to police, from a continuous, nationally
representative sample of households in the United
States. Approximately 50,000 individuals age 12 or
older are interviewed for the survey annually.
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/ascii/apvsvc.txt

I have heard the term "rape fantasies" tossed about -
none of my women friends with whom I've discussed this
(admittedly a miniscule and unscientific sampling)
have concocted such.

Debbi  
{...who pleads the Fifth WRT _seduction_ fantasies...}


                
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