On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 03:08:41 -0400, Bryon Daly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, 9 Sep 2004 20:12:07 -0700 (PDT), Maru <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > After reading the whole of Brin's Uplift novels, I find myself puzzled by 
> > something: Why undertake the massive, expensive, intricate, and morally tricky 
> > process of Uplift at all?  There must be some intrinsic reason (that is, you can't 
> > say 'Because the Progenitors did'. Then why did they begin the process?).  
> > Creating more sentients can't be the answer because then it would be far more 
> > efficient to multiply your own kind.  Creating specialties (like dolphins would 
> > have been turned into ebcause of their piloting skills) seems grossly inefficent, 
> > and again morally questionable.  'Prestige' (power) could only be a reason once 
> > the system is in place and generally accepted.  Thus far, I can only see two 
> > viable reasons- it might be done for the purposes of having, to put it baldly, a 
> > slave species or more altruistically, to gain the benefit of another world-view's 
> > advice and thinking-style.  The formers is unjustifiable and the latter seems 
> > unlikely.  Has Brin esposed any feasi
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> > explanations that I've completely missed or could someone help me out here? I'd be 
> > grateful for a defintive answer on this nagging question.
> 
> My take on why the humans did it:
> Because they could.  I have no doubt that if today we could produce
> human-level intelligent chimps or dolphins through genetic engineering
> and breeding programs, etc, that someone'd be doing it.  At first
> perhaps just for the scientific knowledge, further on, perhaps for
> filling roles they are well adapted to, and in the end, because they
> discovered the galactic civilization revolved around uplift.
> 
> As for why the galactics did it:
> I'm thinking the Progenitors did it for the company, (presumably they
> were alone in the universe).  Dr. Brin touches on this theme of
> loneliness in his great short story "The Crystal Spheres" (one of my
> favorites).   In another story (on his web site, I think), humans
> realize that they are biologically unsuited to go out and expand into
> the universe, so they "adopt" AI's or robots (I forget the exact
> details) to instill human nature in them, and it is those "children"
> that will explore the stars.
> 
> As for the later galactics, I think for them it is instilled tradition
> and established science, with many benefits and low risks.   They
> think for the ultra long-term and see their clients in a way as
> essentially their children and eventual inheritors.

Maru - I never even questioned this.  If there are other species just
a few genetic steps away from sentience you would find people who
would help them achieve it.

I would think many would think it more morally wrong to modify their
own species to create new slave species or another world view.

Gary Denton
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