> From: Dave Land <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> On Nov 4, 2004, at 9:26 AM, The Fool wrote:
>
> > One party (we'll call them 'Progressives') conducted an open
campaign,
> > where every thing they did was out in the open, and you could see
what
> > they were doing and where they were doing it. They shouted the
record
> > numbers they were registering from the rooftops, and shouted with a
> > loud
> > ringing voice every vote will be counted and will be fought for at
all
> > costs. They fought to build a better, stronger America, where all
> > people
> > are created equal and all people have inalienable civil rights.
>
> They were the ones that lost, right?
Yes.
> > One party (we'll call them 'Regressives') conducted a secret, closed
> > campaign, where every thing they did was behind closed doors and
nobody
> > knew what they were doing or where they were doing it.
> ...
> > They fought to build a divisive America, where hate and bigotry are
> > norm,
> > and few people have civil rights.
>
> They were the ones that won, right?
Yes.
It just proves one thing. Secrecy + FEAR + HATE = Election Winners.
Openess + Courage = Election Losers.
> > I for one am proud to have stood up and fought for the progressive
> > vision
> > of America, where all voices are heard, all votes are counted, where
> > all
> > people are created equal, and tolerance and individuality are the
norm.
>
> Amen, brother. Now we just have to learn how to "message" that "vision"
> as
> America First[tm] Family Values[tm]. And no, I'm not kidding. We
> American
> progressives need to honor the things that it is clear that a majority
> of
> American voters respond to.
>
> Despite my "Secret Ingredient" diatribe of last night (in which I urge
> Democrats to turn the tools of self-righteousness against Republicans,
> with my tongue only half in cheek), I sincerely believe that
> progressives
> need to figure out why so many fine, intelligent people are willing to
> get behind divisive issues like gay marriage bans and the like and use
> it.
>
> We need to freaking UNDERSTAND these people, not dismiss them as dupes.
It's because Religion is a parasitic disease. A parasitic disease that
is perfectly willing to damage or kill it's host as much as neccessary to
spread itself. It's like fighting the flu. The Flu in all it's 400 some
strains is the fastest evolving organism. We literally can't create new
vaccines fast enough to even have a remote chance wiping the flu out.
It's not the people, it's the disease. It's amazing how progressive a
person becomes when you get the Religion out of them. I've seen it many
times.
It's borne out by the statistics of what republicans believe. 70+%
Belive Saddam was involved with 9/11. 60+% Believe we found WMD in Iraq.
50+% Believe Saddam had a close relationship with Al Qaida.
How many of them get their news from Fox, NewsMax, And The Sludge
Distort? They are even _MORE_ trapped in their own echo chambers, than
we were in the Weblogs. We tended to belive things that were factually
TRUE. They tended to believe things that were factually FALSE.
And that is the difference.
> As Duncan Black (the Atrios of http://atrios.blogspot.com/) wrote:
>
> The people who voted George Bush and the Republicans into
> office this year didn't do so because they were conned by
> a right wing asshole posing as a compassionate centrist.
> They did so precisely because he is a right wing asshole.
> Yes, the modern Republican party consists of nasty bigots
> and liars and the media rarely bothers to point out just
> how nasty they are (all the talking heads talking about
> the role of "moral values" in the election know that what
> that really means is "fag hating," but they won't say it).
> But, don't be fooled - people know what they voted for.
>
> > Even in defeat we must stand firm, give no ground, give no quarter,
and
> > continue to fight for what is right against the tides of darkness and
> > tyranny.
>
> And do so without being defensive or conciliating or turning into
> "nasty bigots and liars."
>
> > We will overcome..
>
> "I might not get there with you..." Now *there* was a man who could
> speak
> in Biblical tones without scaring the bejeebers out of me.
>
> >> PS: I Hate the Word Blog
> >
> > Agree. Use it not do.
>
> Thanks, Yoda.
>
> Dave
>
> To Hell With Nuance Maru
New-Ants.
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