----- Original Message -----
From: "Gautam Mukunda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2004 5:24 PM
Subject: Re: "God Is With Us" L3


> --- Robert Seeberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > We keep our own house clean, do we not?
> >
> > xponent
> > No Monopoly On Goodness Maru
> > rob
>
> We do, which is what makes us _better_ than them.

I would phrase that a bit differently.
We are not inherently better than any them on the planet, but we do
things in a better way (for the most part) and overall we *do* better
than most because of it.


> Which is why when you see people consistently making
> excuses (usually false ones) for someone like Hussein,
> it's inexcusable.  The war may or may not have been
> justified.  Given, however, that I've had to defend on
> this list the validity of the splended work Indict did
> on human rights under Iraq, but Our Distinguished
> Namesake (irony very much intended) will routinely
> accuse the President, and anyone else who has the
> temerity to disagree with him of being bribed or
> traitors, and no one even bats an eye, the double
> standards are pretty damn apparent, and pretty damn
> shameful, too.

It is no secret that I dislike Bush and that in general I oppose him.
But that stems from his record before he ever entered politics. Texas
newspapers were filled with criticism of his business dealings before
he became a conservative darling. IMO Bush should be ineligable for
office due to felonies he has commited and a lack of ethics in his
business dealings.

He has done nothing as President to convince me that he is any better
than any other white collar criminal.



> Say that a mass genocidal mass
> murderer is responsible for human rights violations,
> and even eyewitness testimony isn't good enough.
> Accuse the Presidnet, and by God anything is good enough.
>

Saddam is known to have killed thousands of Iraqis and Iranians and a
good number of Kuwaitis. He is known to have committed human rights
abuses on large scales.

Do we need fictional crimes to levy against him?
IMO what we know to be factual is more than enough to convict him of
crimes against humanity.

No matter how you slice it, anything Bush has none is small potatoes
when compared to Saddam.
If indeed the Iraq war is wrong, it still pales in comparison to
Saddams crimes.
But I don't see anyone disagreeing with that.

What I see disagreement over is that Bush's record should not be
overlooked as some seem to think it should.


xponent
House Maru
rob


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