Dan Minette wrote 

    OK, I'll agree that I don't need any faith to state that I don't
    like to be hurt.

    ... but I'm stating that there is no factual basis for human
    rights.

This does not make sense.  If you don't like to be hurt -- if you
don't like the fact of someone else's `fist in your nose' -- and if
you figure that there are some people more powerful than you, then you
will want `freedom from' their hurtful actions.

Besides influencing people by talking, it benefits you to establish a
coercive means, a government, to help protect yourself.  (You may not
be able to protect yourself; most slave revolts failed.  But
factually, slaves did feel hurt and did revolt.)

Only if you figure that you are and will be the strongest, or belong
to that group, does it make sense to come out against others' human
rights.

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    Robert J. Chassell                         
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