On Apr 25, 2005, at 7:21 PM, JDG wrote:

> At 09:03 PM 4/24/2005 -0700, Dave Land wrote:
>> On Apr 24, 2005, at 6:50 PM, JDG wrote:
>>>
>>> To question at hand is whether it is moral to kill a [group of cells]
>>> after conception.   There are two possible arguments in favor of 
>>> this:
>>>  1) The [group of cells] is not human life.
>>>  2) It is acceptable to kill some human lives
>>
>> Do we care about births, or do we care about lives?
>
> I presume you care about the former????

Both, actually, though I wonder about the question.

I am a father of two children. One is alive. One died of brain cancer,
as I have mentioned here before, after my wife and I spent six months of
our lives with him, roughly 24 hours a day throughout his illness.
Ultimately, my first-born son died in the arms of my wife and me.

So that's part of what informs my ideas about the value of life, how
about you?

>> We could continue to try to find an invisible line or we could
>> concentrate on the value of every human life,
>
> Unless I am wrong, you are opposed to the above, are you not?

I prefer the latter. Why am I getting the feeling that your questions
are not entirely sincere?

>> including the millions of
>> infants and children who die every year due to lack of access to
>> prenatal, perinatal and early childhood care. How is it that people 
>> who
>> are so quick to insist that every pregnancy result in a birth are so
>> quick to criticize and cut programs that would ensure that the births
>> they claim to care so much about result in healthy lives?
>
> I know that this is a common cliche - but name one person who believes
> the above.

I wrote it. As long as we're giving orders, respond to it in substance
and quit side-stepping.

Dave

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