----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Warren Ockrassa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 4:05 PM
Subject: Re: Br!n: Re: more neocons


> Since you asked... ;)
>
> On May 11, 2005, at 10:15 AM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
>
> > I just wonder what can be done to solve the plight of those millions
> > of human beings
>
> Nothing.
>
> There is no way to save the world. There is no way to change human
> nature. And what we define as a solution now might not apply in a
> different social context 100 years from now. For instance 150 years ago
> the answer to dealing with all the "backward" people "suffering" in the
> Congo seemed pretty obvious.
>
> There's some question, too, regarding how much of the world actually
> needs saving. Do we stop at oppressive regimes? Which ones? Only the
> ones who can't nuke is in response? (So N. Korea is safe.) Just the
> ones we don't get along with at the moment? (So Saudi Arabia's safe
> too.) Or do we keep going with nations whose governmental structures
> don't match ours closely enough to suit us? (Look out, Egypt!) Or do we
> keep going based on how close to "holiness" -- some flavor of Xtianity
> or other -- we think they are? (Bye-bye, Thailand!)
>
> Now with situations like Rwanda, I think things are obvious. With Iraq
> they were grey. (Why haven't we done a Regime Change on Cuba yet?) And
> then there are some are-they-or-aren't-they cases where no clear
> solution presents itself, and that makes me think that possibly -- just
> possibly -- we shouldn't be trying to "fix" things in the first place.
>
> Besides, I think we're seeing that an enforced change won't work. It
> looks like the older means is still the better one -- be an example and
> let change be effected internally to a given nation. Maybe supply
> training and *some* weaponry to the "freedom fighters"; maybe not. The
> USSR collapsed without a revolution. That it has happened before
> suggests it can happen again.

> But attempting to shoulder the responsibility of "saving" millions of
> miserable people, ostensibly from some oppressive government-bugaboo of
> the week? Not practical and not possible. Regrettable -- tragic -- but
> I think true.

But, it has worked a number of times, as well as not having worked a number
of times.  Western Europe and Japan are classic examples of this.  On the
whole, if you look at the amount of influence/leverage the US has had with
a country, there is a strong correlation between that influence and
representative governments.

Dan M.


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