----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Denton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 5:23 PM Subject: Re: The American Political Landscape Today
On 5/16/05, Dan Minette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gary Denton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 3:55 PM > Subject: Re: The American Political Landscape Today > > > >Are you a doctor? Why do you want the government making medical > > decisions? > > > > Because I don't think it's a medical decision. You assume your > conclusions > > when you make that statement. You assume that a 2 week overdue infant is > > not human, but an 8 week premature baby is. I don't think humans should > be > > killed. But, the point is not even that abortion is right or wrong. It's > > that Democrats are taking positions that are favored by only the most > > liberal 10%-20% of the nation and holding fast to those positions. > Setting > > aside the debate of whether abortion should or should not be > >> illeagal...the > >> Democratic party's position favoring the > > >You may have hit enter to fast judging by how that trails off. > > The unfettered right to abortion alienates many voters....even > self-defined > Democrats. > > >But you are returning to your argument which was immediately jumped on. > Why > >do you think Democrats are for unlimited abortions? Why do you think > >incorrectly that most Democrats don't hold the positions of most > Americans? > > That's not really what I'm getting at. The origional claim was that the > liberals were the mainstream because they were the mode of the Pew poll. > Eric pointed out the mathamatical error in this analysis fairly clearly. > Conservative Democrats were considered liberal. From reading the website, > I'd say that conservative Democrats were more conservative on social > issues > and more liberal on issues such as government spending and taxes. >I stayed out of that clearly wrong argument - the mode is not the median. Well, I'm glad to find someone who agrees with my understanding of statistics. I've been getting hit from left and right on that, so to speak. :-) >Pew reported Liberals were one side, what they call Enterprisers was >another. The liberals have been at 18 to 25% all of my life. Conservatives >hit a high point under Reagan. Agreed. But, self-identified Democrats had a much larger lead on self-identified Republicans back then....which is interesting to me....for the most part, it seems to be a function of Dixiecrats changing their voting for president before their party lables. >Always the center of American politics are the self-identified moderates. I have no arguement with that. But, as food for thought, I just saw the 2004 Harris poll on this and it has Conservative 36% Moderate 41% Liberal 18% If liberals get 2/3rds of the self identified moderates in a coalition, and the conservatives got 1/3rd of them, it would still favor the conservatives. >> No, it's because the Democratic leadership seems to fear a slippery slope >> on abortion. If they make one single concession for any reason whatsoever, >> then it's Katy bar the door. Personally, I see simularities between this >> and the NRA's position on gun control. >I think you are seeing a shake-up of that auto pro-choice position and the >NRA example my have been accurate. I see the first hints of one, and I think that will be a good thing if it happens. >>Even though I'm a liberal, I realize that there are fewer liberals than >>conservatives. I don't see the reason to look at the data sideways to deny >> unpleasant realities. That's a losing strategy. >You can pick and choose issues to show there are fewer conservatives but in >my neighborhood I agree with you. It is sometimes surprising to see a large >number of mainly white liberal families get together like we did Saturday >for a Family Fun day and Dump Delay picnic in the park in DeLay's district. We're more lucky a bit north of you, in the Woodlands. Brady isn't really all that bad, he's good friends with some very liberal folks we know....and he helps out folks in his district....he got Nymbe (Neli's sister) a visa for example. Perry is the idiot I want to give rid of. I don't see why Julia likes him so <runs away before she throws something at me> Dan M. _______________________________________________ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
