At 05:00 PM 5/17/2005 -0500, Gary Denton wrote:
>> >>Why are the Republican who think we are going to far not heard from when
>> >>there are debates about abortion in just about every Democratic meeting 
>> I
>> >>attended?
>> 
>> I'm going to take a wild guess and somehow connect it to the fact that the
>> Democrats lost the last Presidential election and exit polls attributed it
>> in large part to the issue of "moral values."
>
>
>This was a poorly worded question as shown by both candidates splitting the 
>vote of the "moral values" voters.

For the record, I didn't say that the reason for Democrats having these
discussions was right - just identifying the elements of Conventional
Wisdom that cause Democrats to have these discussions, and not Republicans....


>>>Losing always provokes more soul-searching than winning.
>>>
>> >>I suspect is because it was part of that media drumbeat that pro-life
>> >>people
>> >>can't be heard in the Democratic party.
>> 
>> I would hope that even you would agree that the failure to let PA Governor
>> Bob Casey speak at the Democratic National Convention played some role in
>> the Democratic Party deserving that storyline.
>
>You snipped out the real reason he wasn't allowed to speak which had nothing 
>to do with abortion. On TV and national media he had waged a campaign to 
>stop Clinton from getting the nomination saying he wasn't fit to be 
>president. Unless their is a public repudiation of those interviews no party 
>is going to allow that kind of speaker on the platform.

Again, not saying its right or wrong - but again identifying the CW.

>And the fact that:
>> a) Harry Reid is somehow considered to be a "pro-life" Senator in the
>> Democratic Party (compare his deviation from the Democratic mean vs.
>> "pro-choice" Republican Senators' deviation from the mean.)
>> b) Harry Reid is about the only "pro-life" speaker at a Democratic
>> Convention in a long, long time


But I did notice that you didn't have a sharp rebuttal for the above.....

>> At 03:26 PM 5/16/2005 -0500, Gary Denton wrote:
>> >>The procedure that was banned was used in only 0.004% of
>> >>abortions is the United States. Yes my 0's are in the right place
>> >according
>> >>to the AMA.
>> 
>> Haven't you just made Dan's point? Liberal Democrats wouldn't even
>> restrict 0.004% of abortions???!!!!???!!!!???
>> 
>
>That this procedure was only necessary and often used to save lives was also 
>snipped.

The bill passed by Congress contained an exception that the procedure may
be used to save the life of the mother.   In particular, it provides an
exception for a partial-birth abortion "necessary to save the life of a
mother whose life is endangered by a physical disorder, physical illness,
or physical injury, including a life-endangering physical condition caused
by or arising from the pregnancy itself."

 http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c108:5:./temp/~c1085WUrim::

>Why do you want to get involved in medical decisions that endanger pregnant 
>women?

As noted above, the law provided that government does *not* get involved in
such decisions.

But, why do you not want to get involved in protecting the inalienable
rights of children from violations by their parents?

JDG
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