> JDG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I wrote:
> >>  [Gautam wrote:]

> >>Anyways, yes, getting them to intervene is
> >> good, but their intervention has been illegal and
> >> unapproved by the UN.  You can be in favor of
> >> intervention to stop genocide in Rwanda/Darfur >
>>_or_
> >> you can say that intervention on moral principles
> >> is contingent on international consensus.  You
> >> _cannot_ do both.  

> ><raises eyebrows>  Do you really live in such a
> >black-and-white, either/or world?   Who are you to
> >tell me I shouldn't go ahead and act if I can't get
> >agreement because somebody(s) being weaselly, when
> > I see clearly that action is needed?  
 
> Because you have apepared to argue on this list that
> the US should not have
> launched Gulf War II in part because it did not have
> international consensus behind us.   

"_In part_" -- precisely!  I also said, then and
recently, that immanent (sp!) attack warranted
*immediate military action*  -- although it would be
polite to tell our allies before bombs hit dirt.  

What about the 'hammer of US troops just across the
border [to enforce inspections]' and one summer?
 
> >>They are fundamentally inconsistent positions.  

> >According to you.  I did my best to stay on the
> >"right" side of policy and law, but do you think
> >that ANY physician practicing hasn't had to twist,
> finesse,
> >or outright slip the system in order to get at
> >least one of their patients needed care?  
 
> But you appear to be lambasting the Bush
> Administration for doing precisely that!

Incorrect.  They did not try 'the hammer.'  They did
not have a critical patient (ie Iraq was not about to
collapse, nor was the US in immediate danger of SH
attacking us).  They weren't able to ask the 'patient'
[Iraq] what sort of 'treatment' s/he wanted, but
paternalistically (is that even a word?) decided head
amputation was the ONLY course of 'therapy.'  Well,
after previously encouraging part of the patient to
self-amputate, but failing to provide adequate bone
saws, scalpels, and sutures to permit such action to
be potentially successful.

Debbi
Pragmatic Idealism Maru


                
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