On 6/11/05, Ronn!Blankenship <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > At 03:38 PM Saturday 6/11/2005, Robert Seeberger wrote: > >Dan Minette wrote: > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Robert Seeberger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> Ronn!Blankenship wrote: > > >>> At 11:31 PM Friday 6/10/2005, Dan Minette wrote: > >[snip] > > > >One of the things that is done with regularity at Gitmo (according to > >one our Congresspersons who was *allowed* to visit there), is tying a > >prisoner down till he defecates and urinates on himself and then > >leaving him there for 18 - 24 hours. > > > >This is supposed to deliver intelligence to our Mil/Int services. > > > >But I see no valid comparisons between the abuses of our penal system > >and the way political prisoners are handled at Gitmo and the other > >places where Americans are paid to leave their humanity at the door. > > > Without making excuses or attempting to justify any abuses in either prison > system, I did make a point in a post to another list earlier today in > response to a reference to the alleged desecration of the Qu'ran at > Gitmo: whatever else we may have done there, we at least have made > provision for Muslim prisoners we are holding to exercise their religion by > allowing them to have copies of their holy book, by giving them something > to use as a prayer rug and allowing them to pray, by giving them meals > which meet their religious dietary restrictions, etc. I have not heard > that the Muslims have, frex, provided captured Christians with Bibles or > captured Jews with yarmulkes, or otherwise facilitated them in their > exercise of their religions. (If I am incorrect in that, I would > appreciate correction.) And whatever we may have done as far as abuse or > mistreatment of prisoners at Gitmo, I have not heard of us kidnapping known > non-combatants such as aid workers and posting video of their decapitation > on the Internet . . .
I am sure you are not meaning to say that our standard of treatment only has to meet the standard of barbarians. So by this standard as long as we don't torture people to death or take pictures of it we are doing OK. As it is the incident I posted, one of several available, of torturing people to death. Part of the humiliation interrogation technique was taking photos. We are outsourcing some cases to places where torture is more practiced. Surprisingly one of those was Syria which tortured a Canadian for several weeks after the US shipped him in there before concluding he was innocent. Syria has since stopped participating in our information gathering. So even by the lowest possible standards are we doing OK? I do not want the US ttreatment to be the new minimum standard of decency. -- Gary Denton Easter Lemming Blogs http://elemming.blogspot.com http://elemming2.blogspot.com _______________________________________________ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
