On Jun 23, 2005, at 2:15 PM, Dave Land wrote:

I've carried on with Dan a little about the idea of relative evil, or that social context provides the backdrop against which actions are judged to be meritorious or wrongful. This dovetails with the above passage in the sense that as soon as we pass any judgment we're missing the big picture; we're immersing ourselves in context.

I've just read Bishop John Shelby Spong's "Rescuing the Bible from Fundamentalism," which has as a major theme that the Bible -- and every spiritual experience that has ever been put into words -- mires the inexpressible in the subjective. We do not *have* objective language, he says, and we fool ourselves when we act as though we do.

That's definitely a problem, yes. Language is awkward, in many instances; in some cases it's just not the right tool to use. When trying to use language to express a nondualistic understanding of the cosmos, one is left with things that seem very foolish: "A flower is not actually a flower, which makes it the one and only real flower that exists." Ouch.

Language is, like the Buddha, two and a half pounds of flax.

A theologian of the early 20th century said that we needed to "demythologize" God. Spong counters that we can only "remythologize" spiritual experiences: as soon as we put them into words, they become locked into our prejudices, experiences, world-view. In a couple of years, generations, centuries, our "demythologized" explanation will be just as ridiculously dated as the "heaven is just above the dome of the sky" ideas that underlie the Biblical authors' explanations.

Very possibly, which is a solid argument against literalism of any kind, of course. If you take religious expression as -- at its best -- being a kind of dialectic between humans and the universe we inhabit, we can almost see that understandings gained from religion are useful only in a given context. (They ARE useful, but *only in context*.)

There's a striking parallel here between the self-correcting modes of science and the idea of a genuine religious (or perhaps philosophical) dialectic. As the search for understanding -- *any* understanding -- progresses, ideas must be tested against what is observable. If the ideas don't match apparent reality, it is always the ideas that must change.

Hence we've had to retool our understanding of physics, not once, not twice, but three times in one century. That's really astounding when you think about it. It seems to me that the best religions would include something like this self-correcting process, and use the human mind's ability to inquire to update and self-correct, excising doctrines that are clearly and simply false. *Sometimes* this happens, albeit slowly; the RC Church, after all, finally did come around to the heliocentric model of the solar system, though 400 years after the rest of the world had accepted the facts.

Most of the time, though, we end up with an almost pathological separation between apparent reality and the views held by (at least some) religious-minded individuals. Often this separation is superficially harmless, but I'd argue that anything that allows a person to become comfortable with intellectual separation from what appears to be real is actually quite dangerous; it lays the groundwork for further breaches from what is, in a larger view, a more "real" or at least rational world model and approach to life in that world.

Religion isn't like pot, in the sense that pot is alleged to be a "gateway drug" via which users will eventually become addicted to crack; however, just as pot use can be a sign of generally edgy or risky behavioral tendencies, an addictive personality or a wish to abrogate even the most basic life-skills and responsibilities, early acceptance -- particularly unquestioning acceptance -- of some outrageously false religious doctrines might be a sign of eventual separation from "reality".

You don't go right from pot to crack, and you don't go right from baptism to bombing abortion clinics; but there's *some* reason, perhaps, to be concerned.

Spong's conclusion is that the Bible is nothing more or less than a particular, peculiar peoples' record of *their* experience, rooted as in their world-view. The Bible doesn't tell us as much about God as it tells us about the writers' abilities to express their experience of God. It is for us to try to "inhabit" their world-view so we can attempt to discern the experience was that their limiting words point to.

That's a remarkably Zennish/Buddhist-in-general conclusion. Thich Nhat Hanh -- a pretty highly-respected Buddhist monk -- has stated that one requirement of Buddhist teachings, in order for them to be valid, is that they be "relevantized" to meet the needs of a given audience or student. That is, you not only speak in terms a given person can understand, but you use his language and world metaphors. It makes no sense to speak to a beef-eating SUV-driving American about rice balls and rickshaws.

Further, the Dalai Lama has said that to the extent science disproves *any* Buddhist teaching, it is Buddhism, not science, which will have to change to fit newer human understandings. If we discover that rebirth is completely, totally impossible, the Buddhist idea of rebirth will have to go. (Fortunately that's all right. Buddhism works just fine without the idea.)

It bears noting that this is an extraordinarily liberal view of the Bible, which puts a lot of people off.

I'm hardly surprised. There are several beloved sacred cows being tipped here.

Taoism in China eventually colored Ch'an, which in Japan is better known as Zen. There is a deep Taoist flavor to all Zen teachings, and of all the traditions in the Buddhist lineage Zen seems to be the most difficult to grok. Koans don't help; they're deliberately formulated to be inscrutable. Even getting past the idea of dualism is extremely difficult, and Zen makes it muddier by avoiding explication. That's part of the Zen perspective: When you speak of something you are discerning, and discernment takes one away from enlightenment or realization of the essential nature of life.

You root it in the subjective, to root this in the subjective.

:D

Thanks, Warren. Much better than "Zen is evil and should be eradicated."

Don't get me wrong here; Zen *is* evil and it *should* be eradicated.**


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Warren Ockrassa, Publisher/Editor, nightwares Books
http://books.nightwares.com/
Current work in progress "The Seven-Year Mirror"
http://www.nightwares.com/books/ockrassa/Flat_Out.pdf


** That's a koan.

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