In a message dated 8/18/2005 2:03:11 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> I don't see this as a statement necessarily directed against Jews, > and I > >>think people are reading a lot of stuff between the lines that may > not > >>be there. But it is an emotive subject, so that is to be expected I > >>guess. I don't agree with it necessarily, but until someone can put > >>forward a cogent argument as to why Iraq was invaded, it is not > >>surprising that people who suffered directly try to find some reason > for > >>their sons dying. > >> > >For the kazilioinst time, if you want to understand why this remark is > >hurtful read some fing history. James Carrol's Sword of Constantine, > Philp > >Johnson's > >History of the Jews. > > > > Look, I am not a history scholar, but I have heard of Jews. And I > understand that if one wants to wilfully take her words as some kind of > veiled reference to a dark underlying desire to exterminate the Jewish > people, then one can do so. I didn't, and I have no idea what she > secretly might have meant. I will let her put her own words in her > mouth. > You may have heard of jews but if you do not know that the current remarks fit into a standard anti-semitic story line that has over and ovver again led to horrible treatment. Your statement is akin to saying you have heard of quantum mechanics but you don't think it is true because it is outside your experience. > > > > > >>And does she have a point about hatred of US Mid-East policy being > >>behind 9/11? Be that anti-Semitic or otherwise, is there any truth > in > >>it? > >> > >So you are blaming the jews for 911? Yes indeed you are. Why not go > all > >the > >way. The Israelis did it which is why all the jews stayed home that > day. > > I asked a serious question. You are drawing a very long bow there, and > well, it's a little insulting. Sure, there are anti-Semites out there, > plenty of them.. Give us the benefit of the doubt would you and stop > tarring us with some brush we don't deserve. I am trying to make you see that the danger is not from overt anti-semitism it is from the inclination to blame jews for problems. That this inclination is part of the DNA of our culture. > > > > > Is there truth to the notion that many arabs hate us because we > support > >Israel. Well maybe. After all they have blaming all of their problems > >since world > >war II on the jews. They have refused to solve the problem of the > >palastinians > >for over 50 years. They turned down an offer that would have given > them > >95% > >of what they wanted in 2000. The nations of the mideast have funded > >palastinian > >terrorism/resistance but have not funded schools hosptials etc. We > have > >supported a democratic country in a region where democracy othewise > does > >not exist. > > > > > > > >> > >>And is she entitled to have that opinion, and to express it? > > > > > >Of course she is entitled. And I am enttiled to denounce her > statements as > >the worst kind of anti-semitism. > > > > Umm, perhaps you best read up on your Jewish history. Several worse > kinds of anti-semitism spring to mind actually, but then perhaps I am > missing something. > Trust me I have read my history and I believe that these statements are the most dangerous because they lead to other things. _______________________________________________ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
