On Sat, 5 Nov 2005 17:56:49 -0600 "Dan Minette" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alex Gogan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 10:38 AM > Subject: Bitter Fruit > > > > >I must admit this is a very moving and thought provoking. It makes you > wonder what truly goes through >the minds of the leaders knowing that over > 2,000 of their own have been killed and countless thousands >of other have > been killed. With hundreds of thousands if not millions of other people > been directly effect >and traumatised by their senseless death. > I would be interested in a real discussion that allows folks with different > views to express them in discussable terms....not terms that presupposes a > moral lack in folks with different viewpoints. In particular, I'm > interested in the unspoken presuppositions of folks with different > viewpoints. > > Dan M. > Dan That too is one discussion I would very much like to see. One thing I can't tolerate is intolerance (excuse the pun) of others view points and opinions been forced upon people. But if people could be open and truly candid then we could actually really get the thoughts of people. I can't believe that the American people are as bipolar as they seem, but to the outside world it looks like the greater masses of the American people are little more than cattle been led wherever your leaders tell you to go or to believe. The way I see it in a very simplified version (IRAQ) is this: 1. Yes, something had to be done about Iraq and the way they were treating their people. Sanctions were causing more harm then good so something else had to be done. Lying to the world was not the answer. Open minded people across the world knew that there was no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. This was more a politically expedient war to bolster the US economy (more people employed and more wealth created and maintained in the US through defence contracts than any other country on the planet). 2. Ok, Iraq now is a complete mess, that threatens to spill out across the Middle East, then onto the whole world. What can be done now, to extract US soldiers will only make it worse, but to leave them there feeds the flames of the Monster that has been awoken. What else can we do, we can't ring fence the region and hope that they sort it out amongst themselves. What other suggestions can we give our leaders that will stabilise the region, military methods will not work they never have. Especially when the culture we are dealing with is so completely different to the western culture. Democracy is not going to work not on a population not used to it. Do we try to find a neutral peace broker, some one who the rest of the world signs up to adhere to their findings. If the broker is not empowered then there is no value. What do we do? -- ___________________________________ The pen is mightier than the sword! Edward Bulwer-Lytton (1803-73) Just look what happened in the US in 2000 Bush wins with the Pen of a Judge! Alex Gogan (1968- gulp!) -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.12.8/162 - Release Date: 05/11/2005 _______________________________________________ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
