Warren.  Thanks.  One guy at Apple has helped me with
a few of my problems.  A few others linger on.  I will
append a list of those, below.

As for BASIC, it's really simple.  I want to show Ben
the line-by-line coding that started it all, and that
still lies deep in the heart of higher level
languages.  He WILL learn C++ and other tools to do
sophisticated things.   But this is not about what can
be done.  It is about doing some very simple things
that are... BASIC.


Apple stuff: 


Questions about OS 10.4:


1.  I have always wondered why - in list view - you
can see the KB size of files but not the KB size of
folders. 

SUpposedly there is "calculate folder sizes" under
"View Options" but I do not see this option for some
reason.

2. Windowshade_X allows me to resore the minimizing
features I find much more useful than the
“into-the-dock” silliness, that duplicates Windows. 
Seriously, this one is a marvel.  Now I have SEVERAL
methods, each appropos under different circumstances.

3. Irritating in OSX!  I pull a folder out of another
folder and put it on my desktop.  IT DOESN’T SIT WHERE
I PUT IT!  Instead, it heads out to appear somewhere
ELSE on the desktop.  Nor even in the same place every
time, but in random places, even BEHIND active
windows, so I have to minimize all the windows looking
for it.  Why?

4.  I do not have Speech turned on, yet the round
microphone doohicky-jobby ALWAYS appears on my desktop
and there is no way to get rid of it!  The best I can
do is minimize it.

5.  Spotlight won’t index my old OS9 Word perfect
files by content, only
their titles.  

Someone just suggested:To Spotlight WP files:
http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/spotlight/
wordperfectspotlightplugin.html

I plan to try it tonight.

6.  The garish colors for colored files... Must the
file NAMES be so loudly colored?  I miss when it was
just the icon that was colored.

someone suggested:
To mute OS10 colors
http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/19585&vid=142775


db

--- Warren Ockrassa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Easy stuff first. I'm an OSX wonk and have been a
> while -- I 
> participated in the public beta, back before the
> century turned, when 
> my PowerBook, on its first load of the nascent OS,
> ran through a series 
> of UNIX (actually Darwin, which is Apple's version
> of FreeBSD, which is 
> technically not UNIX) style command-line load
> instructions before 
> presenting me with a UI I'd seen in sccreenshots,
> but never actually 
> hacked before.
> 
> It was definitely not pre-X Mac, and it definitely
> needed work. If you 
> think X.4 is quirky, you should have seen the first
> version. Oy.
> 
> So if you need help there, let me know what with.
> 
> As to the BASIC question: I'll shoot you a
> counter-question: Why?
> 
> Assembly is the ultimate line-by-line language, but
> it's not 
> necessarily the best instruction base for showing a
> kid how to do 
> things onscreen. If you want to explore that
> direction, using line code 
> without the benefit of an IDE, consider exploring
> JavaScript. It gives 
> you the OOP the modern era expects along with
> options for linear 
> execution, and best of all it runs in a browser
> layer. (That's best, 
> because it means you can't accidentally include
> instructions that will, 
> say, format the drive.)
> 
> It's also eminently portable. The syntax is funky
> but it follows the C 
> model, which is used by Java, Perl (somewhat) and of
> course C++. Also, 
> JS is the script engine of choice for Flash, which
> is (sigh) considered 
> the pre-eminent core to use for multimedia online
> games, apps and so 
> on.
> 
> Wanting to work in BASIC to show a kid how to hack
> code seems a little 
> like trying to introduce a twelve-year-old to the
> wonders of having a 
> ham radio license by insisting he learn Morse code.
> Start with world 
> radio, then get him hooked on speaking by voice to
> human beings on the 
> other side of the planet (unless he has an Xbox),
> then work *backward* 
> to the understructure. It makes more sense
> pedagogically to begin with 
> the fun light stuff and work into details as the
> student requests them.
> 
> Put another way, if an eight-year-old came to you
> with a story he'd 
> just written, would you lecture him on syntax and
> spelling errors, or 
> would you rather praise his imagination and
> willingness to try at all?
> 
> BASIC is not necessarily the best beginning for a
> computer engineering 
> career. The fact is that code is written on a much
> more abstract level 
> now, one which blurs the line between (for instance)
> graphics and 
> interpreter commands. In your novel _Earth_ you
> don't make the 
> ludicrous suggestion that sophisticated avatars are
> running commands 
> such as "10 seek news; 20 goto 10". They will exist,
> but they won't be 
> made on the linear programming level; they will be
> aggregates of 
> pre-assembled, generic objects.
> 
> 
> --
> Warren Ockrassa, Publisher/Editor, nightwares Books
> <http://books.nightwares.com/>
> Current work in progress "The Seven-Year Mirror"
> <http://books.nightwares.com/ockrassa/Flat_Out.pdf>
>
<http://books.nightwares.com/ockrassa/Storms_on_a_Flat_Placid_Sea.pdf>
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