On 10/05/2006, at 5:34 PM, Dan Minette wrote:



In the long term, governments will fade away. In the short term, there is the dictatorship of the proletariat. Democracy, human rights, etc. are considered a bourgeoisie invention that does not take into account that
societies are fundamentally economic in nature.  Thus, a Communist
dictatorship, with collective ownership, is the next step forward in history
after a liberal/capitalistic state.

Actually, Marx may have envisioned more a bottom-up mutual-interest based society. Collective ownership, as in social democracies, is a *growing* phenomenon. Just look at the rise of collective owneship of football clubs, for example. From only a couple 10 years ago in the UK to over a hundred mutual trusts.


From the 50s through the late 70s/early 80s, it appeared that Marxism was a
very viable political/economic theory.  Decade by decade, Marxist
governments spread throughout the world.  The US was seen to lose an
imperialistic war in SE Asia, with the nature result being the extension of
the Marxist government.  Most governments in Africa were Marxist, with
central planned economies. India was socialistic and loosely in the Soviet
camp.

Marxist government is an oxymoron. By its very definition, Marxism requires the emergent behaviour of a networked population, not the imposition of a planned economy through a police state.

Charlie
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