> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Dave Land
> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 12:24 PM
> To: Killer Bs Discussion
> Subject: Re: Brain-Tumor Cluster Strikes University
> 
> 
> On May 22, 2006, at 6:00 PM, Nick Arnett wrote:
> 
> > On 5/22/06, Ronn!Blankenship <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >> At 06:05 PM Monday 5/22/2006, Nick Arnett wrote:
> >> >On 5/22/06, Ronn!Blankenship <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>Good luck in getting offerings when your congregation has assumed
> >> >>absolute zero.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >They're not extropians.
> >> >
> >> >They're just Methodists.
> >>
> >>
> >> Hey!  Some of my oldest friends - not to mention
> >> family members - are Methodists.  And it is not
> >> them of whom is usually said, "Many are cold, but few are frozen."
> >
> >
> > I thought that usually referred to the Presbyterians... but then
> > again,
> > they're called the "frozen chosen" by the uncharitable.
> 
> The uncharitable generally including Prespyterians themselves, in my
> experience.


I'm a Catholic Presbyterian elder, just reinstalled on the Session that runs
the church, and I first heard about the "frozen chosen" at the Presbyterian
church.  The "chosen" comes from Calvin's ideas about the elect....although
few Presbyterians now believe in double predestination.  Frozen comes from
the tendency toward being a bit schoolmarmish.  It's both painful and funny
to watch the combination of African worship leaders and a Presbyterian
congregation as the former tries to lead the latter in singing and dancing.

Dan M.


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