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From: "Dan Minette" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'Killer Bs Discussion'" <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 2:35 PM
Subject: RE: Physics Prof Finds Thermate in WTC Physical Samples


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>> Behalf Of Gibson Jonathan
>> Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 12:07 PM
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>> Subject: Re: Physics Prof Finds Thermate in WTC Physical Samples
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>> How the debris we see falling {I would point out it's much more 
>> akin to
>> exploding outward and then down} exterior to the building can match 
>> an
>> interior descent flies in the face of logic.  I simply cannot 
>> accept
>> that the core structure, a thick _lattice_ of crossing steel, would
>> offer the same resistance as the air outside slowing the debris.
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> That's not quite what happened.

[Snip-a-doodle]

Doing a bit of searching I have found a few failure modes noted by 
NIST that have not been discussed here.

http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/NCSTAR1-3ExecutiveSummary.pdf

One glaring example that we missed was "bolt hole tearing". This is 
where force causes the bolt hole to deform til it slips around the 
supporting bolt. I would suspect that this takes a bit more time than 
bolt shearing, but I also feel it doesn't change the math enough to 
matter.

As for the bolts themselves, they turn out to have been stronger than 
original building specs called for, but again this makes small 
difference.

It turns out that there were a very significant amount of welded joins 
that failed in the collapse. If you know much about welding then you 
are aware that the weld itself is much stronger than the base metal in 
the heat affected zone and it turns out that many of the welds that 
failed were torn in exactly that way.
The base metal that gets heated by the welding rod becomes weakened by 
the heat. In many manufacturing processes the part being welded is 
then heat treated to give the heat affected zone properties similar to 
the base metal. this of course is not practical on a construction 
site. So you end up with 2 qualities of welding in a building, the 
high quality welding where heat treating was performed in a factory 
( as a part of the normal manufacturing process for say I-beams) and 
welding that was performed on site as apart of the construction 
process.

Another concept we have not discussed is load re-distribution. When 
some of the supports were knocked out by the impact of the planes, the 
load of the buildings mass was supported by the remaining structural 
members. NIST claims that evidence is seen that heat and load 
re-distribution caused not just buckling (as expected) but also 
necking. Necking is the thinning of a member under stress exceeding 
its yield strength. When impact caused the load to re-distribute, heat 
weakened structural members til some buckled and others necked and 
eventually you had a structural failure. WTC was a fairly lightweight 
structure for its size but the buildings were still very massive.

The more one looks at the failure modes of the WTC collapse, the more 
complex it gets.

xponent
Standards Maru
rob 


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