> -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Charlie Bell > Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2006 10:15 PM > To: Killer Bs Discussion > Subject: Re: Wealthy couples travel to U.S. to choose baby's sex > > > "The pro-choice axiom is that, before birth, there are no human > rights, and after birth a full set." > > Which is clearly bollocks. There's a huge range of views across the > spectrum, and this pigeon-holing into "pro-choice" or "pro-embryo" or > whatever tag one chooses is not actually useful. Actually talking > through differing viewpoints and trying to understand why other > people think as they do, even if you disagree with them, can only help.
There's a positive comment about you by JDG that reflects on this....paraphrasing him, you're arguments are fairly unique and more thoughtful than any that he's seen in discussing this issue with folks he differs with. Indeed, if you go back and see the statement I made above in the context in which it was written, I was decrying the state of the debate I've heard over the last 30 years, and hoping for a discussion of the basis people have for understanding. While I see some difficulties with parts of your argument, what you've written on this topic is exactly the sort of thing I had in mind when I wrote this post. In short, you put forth some of the issues that I'd like to see discussed, instead of the same old back and forth I've seen for years. I also think that the idea that many people have views somewhere between the "pro-choice" set of axioms and the "pro-life" set of axioms is fairly valid. The debate I've seen doesn't reflect this. Most of it is between people who know their axioms are correct, and thus see how unreasonable the others are. Indeed, I find the type of discussions we've seen in this thread rare....most people I've come in contact with don't want to examine their views. Dan M. _______________________________________________ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
