On 11 Sep 2006 at 9:49, Gibson Jonathan wrote:

> My, AndrewC, you are a prickly one aren't you?
> You come out all fire and scorching brimstone from the get-go on this 
> topic.
> Expect push-back.

It's called reason, applied, and a defence of a tolerant view. And 
Except what I'm getting from you isn't push-back, it's mudslinging.
 

> By the standards of clerks, teachers, bus drivers, cooks, you sir, are 
> a technophile.  Let's call them Normals for this conversation.  Your 

Absolute rubbish. A lot of them these days have digital cameras, have 
digiboxes, have ipods. I don't have any camera, I don't have a TV 
whatsoever, I don't have a MP3 player. None of these things are 
USEFUL to me.

Tech is a pure tool - that I have kepy skills as a tech is because 
those skills are purely useful, it gets me cheaper PC's and is 
considered a useful skill by others.

> there are vast technical reaches remain unexplored - you are in fact in 
> that specialized subspecies known as the Game Developer.

There is no subspecies called Game Developer when it comes to views 
of technology. The vast majority are technophile, I am not. Games are 
just ONE medium, and the medium is not the message.

> I simply found your claim of ignorance odd and wondered why.

Interest, not ignorance.

> Some people think an enormous HVAC system hanging on the outside off 
> building is an engineering solution whereas I'd call it an eyesore that 
> reflects poor planning and design.

That's nice. I don't care - if it works better than the other 
soloutions, then aesthetics can take the back seat. Again, function 
and not flash is what I care about.
 
> >> that irked so many, myself included.  For instance, do you really care
> >> if your iPod Nano isn't expandable {yet}?  Damn things even look a tad
> >
> > I don't have a MP3 player. There's nothing wrong with my minidisk
> > recorder (which I was given ages back for recording lectures in
> > University, since I'm dyslexic) for listening to music on the go.
> >
> 
> Tender spot rubbed wrong?
> Hey, stop jumping at shadows.  I love mini-disc, but you have to admit 
> No Moving Parts makes more sense long term.  Welcome to the new 
> millennia!

No, welcome to a waste of cash. As long as the minidisk recorder 
works, it makes absolutely zero sense to waste cash on something 
which can't even record, has battery life issues compared and are 
extremely fragile.

YOU'RE the one jumping because I don't share your technophile 
outlook. This is normal.

> > You're heir to the entire technophile snob legacy, the entire "It
> > looks good so it must be superior" class who are either gamers who go
> > for the PC with the blue LED's or the non-gamers who go for Mac's.
> >
> 
> Rubbish.  I'll thank you to not project your own shadows upon me.  I 
> save my admiration for those designs that are the best of both worlds.  

There's one technophile world, and your snobbery is the so-called 
shadow which is entirely your own..from your nose, as you look down 
at me for not sharing your views.

> Anybody can, and they do, design swiss army knife dood-ads hastily 
> attached to a box trying to grab attention, but getting multiple uses 
> out of a single feature simplifies the overall design, makes for 
> greater product longevity, and fewer COG parts or repairs.

Multi-uses can make something more complex, generalising is worse 
than useless. Look at the IBM PS/2 for a good example of that. Also, 
longevity is utterly unrelated to multi-use, a single use tool in 
many cases is more robust since it only has to be designed for the 
stress of that single use, and so on.

> You do user testing of that game your working on don't you?  Or, do you 
> let the programmers self-test in a vacuum

Of course I do. This has absolutely nothing to do with it.
 
> > Router with comprehensive firewall (on a linux core), check. Free
> > antivirus, check. Free anti-spyware, check. There we go! (Oh, there's
> > spam, but I haven't used Outlook in a decade at home)
> >
> 
> Nice.  Apple's is pretty good out the box as well.

And if it was the majority system it would have a lot of attacks as 
well. You know fullwell it's a pure self-generated popularity issue.

Tech-as-a-tool is NOT popular in todays society, as you prove. Shrug, 
that doesn't bother me either.

AndrewC
Dawn Falcon

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