--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Dan Minette" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Seems like the NJ SC is not willing to push the Full Faith and
Credit
> > > issue. But I imagine it's a good-sized win for gay rights
activists.
> >
> > If you consider maneuvering outside of the democratic process to get
> > what you want to be a "good-sized" win.....
>
> It has been in the past. Constitutional rights exist as a restraint on
the
> majority. It doesn't always work properly, because of bad faith (for
> example the Supreme Court approval of the internment of Japanese
citizens in
> WWII), but constitutional rights are intended to be a restraint on the
> majority.


Yes, but what is the origin of constitutional rights?

Constituional rights do not come straight out of the ether.  After all,
what constitutes a constitutional right in the United States is far
different from what constitutes a constitutional right in the UK, or in
the EU, or in Canada or Australia.

Rather constitutional rights are drafted in a democratic process, by the
majority, to be a future, binding restriction on the majority.

So, the question is, do constitutional rights drafted in a democratic
process actually *mean  anything* - or are they wholly subject to the
whims of interpretation?    If elites can simply decide that a
constitution says whatever it wants it to say, do we really have a rule
of law?   Or do we simply have a modified oligarchy?



> Also, as an aside, your view sounds very much like the view of a Log
Cabin
> Republican friend of mine. I know he isn't homophobic :-), and my
guess is
> that you are not either. I don't see it in your posts....the implied
caveat
> in my statement is a reflection of not actually being around you in
RL.


Thank you for not subjecting me to the all-too-typical "homophobia"
charge that I am usually subjected to.   The ironic thing is that if I
were a member of the New Jersey State Legislature, I would probably vote
for a bill that rather closely resembles this decision.   I am aghast,
however, at the way this decision was handed down....

> Looking down, I found a poll which does not indicate quite as serious
a
> shift, and another that shows a similar shift. I found none that show
> opinion swinging in the other direction.

My point was not about creating majority opposition to gay marriage....
it was about creating an inspired, activist, core minority.....

JDG - Noticing that nobody bothered to respond to my last questions....



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