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From: Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 18:29:54 -0800
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Adressing Global Warming



>It's true that if the Chinese continue to adopt modern technology without
>heeding environmental concerns, the environment is in trouble, but the
>answer isn't in denying them technology, it's in convincing them that they
>must adopt the technology in a responsible manner.   

>We might be able toconvince them the importance of the later

One of the themes of my very long post that started this was that we could
do this _only if_ we could develop a green energy source that was
inexpensive enough to be a reasonable alternative for developing countries.

The reality is, for China, solar power is something to export to rich
countries for foreign exchance.  Coal makes sense locally.  With China's
cost structure, I'd guess that the difference in cost is more than a factor
of 10.

I also took Ron's comment as alluding to some of the same actions by rich
Western countries that I discussed did when I was accused of a crime a
while back here.  I never did folllow up with the data on that because I
think that, short of the 18 minutes of secret tapes :-), it would be very
hard to get my point about the relative political power of the
environmental movement and the interests of Africans in the US and the EU. 
My daughter, who sat in on US congressional committee meetings and has been
working for years with NGOs, lobbying the US government, etc. was
considered (in a post) a scurrious source, not worth mentioning. 
(Personally, to have someone connected to me with a MA in ecconomics and
professional understanding of the actual workings of Afican aid facinates
me, but maybe that's just me.

So, I see Ronn's point.  I think he overstates the situation a bit for
effect, but I think that the average American or European worry more about
low possibilities of undemonstrated risks to them and their own than real
deaths of others who are not like them.

And yea, I do take this personally.  

Dan M. 


 As an aside, some of Charlie's posts are not replied to _yet_ because I
wanted to set out my own position on global warming first before responding
to what he said....and I'm fortunate enough to be a bit busy now. So, in
case he's wondering, I do not consider him as one of the average Americans
or Europeans referenced above. :-)  Rather, he seems like a reasonable chap
who I differ with on some issues from time to time.

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