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From: Jo Anne [email protected]
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 00:14:29 -0700
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: The Role of Government in a Libertarian Free Market


Doug wrote:
>> Has he been arrogant at times?  Maybe, but that sort of thing is
difficult
>> to judge via email.  One can often sound arrogant or diffident or whiny
and
>> not really mean to.   But if arrogance was the criteria by which we
judged
>> people for their on list fitness, how long would JDG have lasted?

>ROFLMAO!!  Exactly. And how many times did how many of us try to talk to
him
>about the *way* he said things more that *what* he said.

Well, nice to have you back in the conversation, but I differ with you on
that.  I think most folks with long memories know that JDG and I have gone
at it many times back when he was on the list. He certainly got under my
skin, but I did not count him as arrogant....just a passionate debator that
really believed in his ideas.   He was the most conservative long term
member of the list, and I think it's no coincidence that I, an Obama
delegate last year, is the closest thing we have to an arguemetative long
term conservative here.  I know there are long term folks more conservative
than me here; they just don't get in long debates/

Indeed, I think we lost a lot of IAMOAC in the big dust up....which ended
up in a significant drop in tolerance with those who differed from the
normative view of the list. 


>I disagree, Doug.  Talking about how we have worked out talking to each
>other, especially after 'the big blow' and a few of the smaller ones is an
>important steam release valve, I think, and one of the ways this list
>continues to work.

Unfortunately, it hasn't worked nearly as well after the dust up/blow up. 
If you look at the number of posts per month when someone like John doesn't
start a big discussion, it's down about 90% from before the times of
trouble.  

Dan M. 

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