Hmmm...I think I want your job. Breaking it down a bit...
"Everyone in the Ultimate Community has the opportunity to bid for
tournaments and offer a price that they feel is value for money given the work involved." Absolutely, but few have access to a good venue that would support these kind of events. I know in Nottingham there's highfields but it's a bit poor so we don't bid. Those that do bid know of the shortage and can set whatever prices are the going rate (not necessarily fair). If anybody know of big venues out there and isn't telling anyone...please speak up!
"The calculations by Euro seem sound on the face of it but fail to
take into account the issues of cash flow, deposits, administration, the work involved in putting together the bid, staffing on the day, the list goes on and on. " I'd love to see a full list. I TD the Copa (a three day event) which I would argue provides more value than any other tournament in the UK. My list goes on and on...and on again. Using your list -Cash flow...charging large amounts to teams does what for cash flow outside of providing plenty. I don't understand this one. How is this not taken into account. Deadlines for payment are getting earlier and earlier every year. -Deposits...£4k would be a big deposit. Deposits on what outside of the venue and pitches? - Administration: ...Paper...ink cartridges...stuff...maybe £50 - the bid...this is at least the 4th year for this venue from these people. The bid probably took 5 minutes. Our bid for Women's Indoor Nationals on the other hand took about 2 hours to get together. 318 hours to go. - Staffing on the day....for what exactly? Collecting scores? Filling in the schedule written by somebody else to determine the Sunday games. At copa the two TDs don't play because there's so much going on during the day and preparing for the evening events. I would suggest that most Tour TDs have time to play as well. You could argue that if a food stall was provided by the organisers then sure..staffing required...except that the food stall wouldn't be free and thus making more money to pay these staff.
"The list of what's included also seems to increase each year."
How is that exactly? I've found that each year the Tour events have provided less and less with camping becoming a 50/50 sort of thing. "I agree with Wayne that competition is a good thing, but it is not the fault of the system that so few people place bids for tournaments. I am a past TD, I know how much work is involved, I run large events for a living and so have a lot more resources on hand to help, but I don't bid , why because I don't believe that the actual profit levels involved ARE worth the work." Holy moly you're NOT bidding?...possible because you'd do a killer job and charge a reasonable price. However...it does sound like you've got a great venue under your hat seeing a lack of venue clearly isn't the reason for no bidding. If £4000 isn't worth it then please share this information. I can think many people including the Junior teams who are currently trying to raise money who think it is.
Previously it has been suggested that UKU events are organised
either centrally or contracted out to 1 TD - this would not only bring down the costs due to a reduction in duplicating work, but it would allow profits to be ploughed back into the development of the sport, greater buying power to the TD, a greater consistency in product, easier scheduling - both in terms of dates & on the day, more sponsorship draw, easier team management and improved cash flow for all. Perhaps its time to re-look at that option? AT £36000 profit you could pay somebody £20000 to roam the country finding venues and booking the tour all year and still have cash left to bring in a few helpers and probably have 10k left to give the UKUA. Great idea. I'm putting together my CV right now. Steve
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