I've seen enough emails like this to respond... The concept of the gazump. I know having approached a few venues that in order to get a new venue to accept a booking sometimes they'd like to know what exactly it is you're doing there. So you have to explain ultimate and that although there will be 600 people they actually won't trash the place etc etc.
So after doing all that work establishing a trust/goodwill for the sport and for yourself with a new sports venue, some TDs might get a tad upset of you just swooped in and took 'their' venue. Sure it's a free market but you've got to admit that most TDs that use a venue typically have to woo the venue a little bit and build a relationship with them. Sure maybe I think some people are pushing the boundaries and taking advantage of the current bid famine and charging "going rates" as a result. I'm still not going to sneak in counter-book a venue already booked for a UKUA Tour events just to undercut the baddies. There's a lot of points being missed here. I don't think anyone is arguing that the individual cost per event is too much. It's more the point of paying £15 for something that could be £10. Any any other situation most people wouldn't do it given a choice. The main point I was trying to get across was the potential profit the UKUA could make that is going to select lucky individuals who have a great venue under their belt. I don't really see why others should be whipping up new ways to support the UKUA when I feel the UKUA, who's excellent brand and concept of the Tour is being use to profit a few people...but not the UKUA. If Virgin Records found out somebody was making £30k a year by selling Virgin branded stuff and they weren't getting a penny, I think they'd do something to remedy that. Especially if the stuff being sold probably wouldn't sell (eg. a £180 a team outdoor event in March) if it didn't have the branding/sanctioning associated with it. On 15/02/07, Luke O'Rafferty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
If you really want to get a cheaper tournament, run it yourself. You already know half a dozen venues willing to host Ultimate tournaments - you visit them every year! No TD has a monopoly on one sports ground. If you think the TDs are ripping you off (and £30 a team extra is so little per person I'm not entirely sure why some people seem so outraged) bid for the same tournament at the same venue, find better local facilities, provide them for free and charge people less in fees and you can be everyone's hero! Or if you think one particular venue is better than the rest bid for a different tournament at the same venue. If you really think TDs are making a mint for not a lot of work why aren't you jumping at the chance to grab some of the action? There's figures of £30-40k profit being bandied around but if you actually think about it, those figures (if it is anything like that) are annual profit between several seperate individuals/groups. When people are talking about how some of this should be put back into the grass roots of the sport how about making a donation yourself rather than demand it from someone else? Or lets stick up UKUA membership fees and use the extra money generated for development that way we all contribute not penalise the very few who put the effort in to provide us with a tournament. Views are my own, etc, etc, etc. Sharky Haze #4 _________________________________________________________________ MSN Hotmail is evolving – check out the new Windows Live Mail http://ideas.live.com __________________________________________________ BritDisc mailing list [email protected] http://fysh.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/britdisc Staying informed - http://www.ukultimate.com/informed.asp
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