I think we should propose that the rules are not re-written in any way for another two years.
As much as your rewrite makes some sence. in a sport where we are all the guardians of the rules we need some time to make sure we all understand the interpretation of the current rules. All rules have to be interpreted the received way and I think the experiance players have the responsability to promote the idea of incidents effecting the play. Players should get used to always calling the rules the same even if it disadvantages them at that time and when a rule is just plain irelivant Rewritting the rules again and again just open new uncertainties each time. Scraggy Devon Ultimate ----- Original Message ---- From: Dave Grayson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: brit disc <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, 8 July, 2008 9:20:22 PM Subject: [BD] Proposed change to Spirit-of-the-game? At the risk of stretching people's patience and being kicked off Britdisc for my own safety, I'd like to start a second debate... I think we should all be familiar with the following rule: *"Rule 1.2. It is trusted that no player will intentionally violate the rules; thus there are no harsh penalties for infractions, but rather a method for resuming play in a manner which simulates what would most likely have occurred had there been no infraction."* I would like the UKU to propose the following addition for 2009. * "Rule 1.2.1. Whenever there is a stoppage of play, play should restart in the manner which simulates what would most likely have occurred had there been no infraction. This means that for any incident, players should first consider at what point play was affected before deciding how play should restart. This principle takes precedence over all later rules." * I believe this is the rule anyway, but introducing this clarification will make more explicit the Spirit of the rules and would end the situations where teams sometimes get the disc back after they have thrown it away, just because there was a pick call, when that pick didn't affect play; or when teams are stopped from scoring by a violation or injury etc. elsewhere on the pitch that didn't affect anything. At the moment I think there is confusion over whether or not the principle of "did it affect play" should be invoked at all times. I think the rules are clear that it should be, so lets make it clearer. Essentially this means a stoppage of play occurs at the point at which play was affected, not the point at which the call was made. Usually those will be exactly the same moment, but not always. Anyone agree? Anyone want to play this way in birmingham at the weekend? Or am I mistaken and we all do it this way already? Cheers, promise I wont start any debates tomorrow! Dave. PS. The full rules of Spirit are below: 1. Spirit of the Game 1.1. Ultimate is a non-contact, self-refereed sport. All players are responsible for administering and adhering to the rules. Ultimate relies upon a Spirit of the Game that places the responsibility for fair play on every player. 1.2. It is trusted that no player will intentionally violate the rules; thus there are no harsh penalties for infractions, but rather a method for resuming play in a manner which simulates what would most likely have occurred had there been no infraction. 1.3. Players should be mindful of the fact that they are acting as referees in any arbitration between teams. In such situations, players must: 1.3.1. know the rules; 1.3.2. be fair-minded and objective; 1.3.3. be truthful; 1.3.4. explain their viewpoint clearly and briefly; 1.3.5. allow opponents a reasonable chance to speak; 1.3.6. resolve disputes as quickly as possible; and 1.3.7. use respectful language. 1.4. Highly competitive play is encouraged, but should never sacrifice the mutual respect between players, adherence to the agreed-upon rules of the game, or the basic joy of play. 1.5. The following actions are considered good spirit: 1.5.1. informing a team-mate if they have made a wrong or unnecessary call or caused a foul or violation. 1.5.2. complimenting an opponent for good play or spirit; 1.5.3. introducing yourself to your opponent; 1.5.4. reacting calmly towards disagreement or provocation; 1.6. The following actions are clear violations of the spirit of the game and must be avoided by all participants: 1.6.1. dangerous play and aggressive behaviour; 1.6.2. intentional fouling or other intentional rule violations; 1.6.3. taunting or intimidating opposing players; 1.6.4. making calls in retaliation to an opponent's call; and 1.6.5. calling for a pass from an opposition player. 1.7. Teams are guardians of the Spirit of the Game, and must: 1.7.1. take responsibility for teaching their players the rules and good spirit; 1.7.2. discipline players who display poor spirit; and 1.7.3. provide positive feedback to other teams about how to improve their adherence to the Spirit of the Game. 1.8. In the case where a novice player commits an infraction out of ignorance of rules, experienced players are obliged to explain the infraction. 1.9. An experienced player, who offers advice on rules and guides on-field arbitration, may supervise games involving beginners or younger players. 1.10. Rules should be interpreted by the players directly involved in the play, or by players who had the best perspective on the play. Players not actively playing the current point, apart from the captain, should refrain from getting involved. If no agreement as to what occurred can be reached, the disc should be returned to the last non-disputed thrower. __________________________________________________ BritDisc mailing list [email protected] http://www.fysh.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/britdisc Staying informed - http://www.ukultimate.com/staying-informed __________________________________________________________ Not happy with your email address?. Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Yahoo! http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html __________________________________________________ BritDisc mailing list [email protected] http://www.fysh.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/britdisc Staying informed - http://www.ukultimate.com/staying-informed
