On Mar 15, 2005, at 5:06 PM, Mikel King wrote:
Okan Demirmen wrote:
It's not that I don't like Cisco, really honest, it's just that some of their recent course changes, and cert practices seem to be nothing more than test revenue streams and of little real value.On Tue 2005.03.15 at 16:27 -0500, Mikel King wrote:
Jim Brown wrote:
I'm interested in hearing from others about certification levels.
Some of us have had conversations about levels- basic, medium, advanced;
or basic, advanced; or just advanced; etc.
Also- If you got a BSD certification how long do you think it should last?
Best Regards, Jim B.
For life...;-)
No seriously, um maybe 2 years max. It would be nice to have a simple recert process, maybe something like a subset refresher test based on your highest awarded cert? I mean it would be really counter productive to be Certified as 'Advance Network God Supremo' and you have to recert at every level below just to keep your current cert. Personally when a vendor pulls that kind of scam we dump them, I don't think it's right to hit people that far below the belt, my wallet is still throbbing from the robbery Cisco pulled last time the updated their training program.
a quick note here:
multi-level is good, imho.
as for testing process, i know you don't like the cisco certs, but i feel the ccie series makes sense. written test; once you pass, you take the lab - now you have your ccie in whatever - routing and switching, security, etc..but for each type/track of ccie you have a written test then lab. for re-cert, you just re-take the written every 2 years. yes, you do end up with "old" lab experience, but as another post stated, this helps further the individual, hopefully enticing them to keep the hands on experience. or we could lab test on re-cert as well.
as for the other cisco certs(and others), useless. one needs to be tested in a simulated environment at least.
okan
I agree with Okan, more or less, but I still stick to the notion of a second part practical. . . written documentation with some depth.
It could be a how-to or explanation, based on real life scenarios, that separate the hobbyists from the sysadmins.
Most importantly, it builds up a body of documentation for the BSDs.
Eg, creating an anonymous proxy on netbsd with squid and ipf. And there would have to be a decent level of innovation and understanding. . . and detail.
We can start a new thread, but I also think the SANS dropping of the practical is worth discussing. . . Richard's blog is useful for this topic:
http://taosecurity.blogspot.com/2005/03/sans-ends-practical- requirement-for.html
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