I must agree with you all: excelent ideas, but who would do the work? And wouldn't it scare people from BSDs? They already think it's hard to learn, imagine getting involved, certifying, etc, etc.

These are all ideas that should be apllied for trainers, I believe, as Rafael said. If you want to become a certified trainer, you have to prove envolvement with the projects and commitment to the community. But to be an associate? I don't think so...

On 9/7/05, Jeremy C. Reed <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Wed, 7 Sep 2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Should a testing candidate for the associate level exam (defined as the
> "less experienced audience" on p. 9 of the roadmap) be required to prove
> prior experience as either a systems administrator or involvement in any
> of the BSD projects?

No and no. We do not need to prove experience as an admin and do not need
to be involved in projects.

If someone is hiring the individual, they can inquire about prior
experience (or it could be on a resume). This "associate" certification
could help some who don't have any real experience. (We don't want to
create a "chicken-or-the-egg" situation.)

> If they are an existing administrator, should involvement in a BSD
> project also be mandatory?

We should not require any involvement with the projects. I have taught
over 15 classes covering FreeBSD, NetBSD or OpenBSD administration. Only
one student I have had was a "committer". And I don't recall any others
being involved with the projects (even via send-pr). Also, I have met some
committers who have mentioned (several times) at our local BSD user group
meetings they do not have any administration skills (although they are
great kernel programmers).

> Here are some possibilities:
...

This makes more work for us to gather, verify, and record.

These are all good things, but I think the individual can choose to place
them on their own resumes as appropriate.

Also it immediately narrows our pool of prospective certification takers.
But on the other hand -- it may encourage many to participate.

I tried to see if our mission statement would answer these questions ...
but I don't know.

  Jeremy C. Reed

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