[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

http://business.newsforge.com/business/05/09/13/1816200.shtml?tid=35

This is something the Group has considered for the "professional" (more advanced) 
certification and ties in a little bit to the recent discussion on pre-requisites (though that 
discussion was for the "associate" or less advanced exam).

What does this list think of requiring the "professional" candidate to do more 
than just pass an exam?

Worthless. Actually, less than worthless since it will cost real resources to implement.

I don't agree with the premise of the article; it comes across as whiny to me. Mentoring programs already exist, both in Linux and in FreeBSD. No, they're not formal and no, they're not touchy-feely (as most mentoring is done by email and IM), but they are very useful. I'm on more than a dozen mailing lists where mentoring happens; some are geographical (my local user group), some are specific to the software I use, some are hardware related (ie, a "Linux-on-Thinkpad list") and others are special-interest related (ie, "open source advocacy in Africa"). In these lists, I've been both mentor and protogé, as I'm sure most people here have been.

The point is, that volunteer mentoring is nice but trying to shoehorn it into a formal structure threatens to hurt as much as it helps. The status quo allows and encourages most people to find fora where any question is welcomed, and indeed most questions have been asked before and usually have canned but helpful answers at the ready (ie, the appropriate FAQ file).

The problem is that, as FOSS is moves into the mainstream, it's being looked at by people who have come to expect their hands held. Furthermore, because they've heard that this is such a community of sharing, they should be able to get all the help they need without needing to pay for it.

Indeed, there is an active community ready to help, but coming to this community implies ground rules which require the asker's willingness to do a little basic research before going to the mentors. (Hence the frequently-terse replies of "RTFM", often delivered by highly-skilled mentors, to those who deny the ground rules.)

If you want someone ready to hold your hand, at times of your choosing, without doing any pre-research, there are plenty of people who will gladly do that for pay. Indeed, since people would rather be mentoring rather than bureaucratizing other mentors, such an operation would probably cost money to implement. Who would fund it? Would the money really be put to good use (that is, better use than if it were spent hiring professional editors to clean up FAQs?)

The suggestion that a certification -- any certification -- demand such mentoring experience as a pre-req is just absurd. The cost to verify and enforce the requirements would be very expensive since -- unlike numerically-scored tests -- verification would have to be done by human rather than machine. Who will pay for this policing mechanism? How does someone _prove_ involvement? What if someone is a longtime mentor who gives out bad advice?

Of course it is nice to have a cadre of skilled people who are not only knowledgeable but willing to share that knowledge. But it is not, and cannot be, the role of a skills certification program to require that someone can (or wants to) mentor.

I urge this group to stay focused on what is being certified. Successfully crawl before walking before running. Do not "load up" the cert with demands for qualities that would be nice for people to have but are not _required_ for someone to do their job. As we've seen, even an ethics declaration is proving to be touchy...

- Evan

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