G malah lebih percaya klo ada keturunan Cu yg beredar diindo. Or minimal nan yang. Pemberontak ming ditampung ama hua ren juga lebih masuk akal buat g. -----Original Message----- From: shinmen takezo <hisashi.mits...@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 00:37:49 To: <budaya_tionghua@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [budaya_tionghua] Re: Teka-Teki Zhenfei (Imperial Concubine Zhen)
kok bisa yah gerombolan bangsawan china di tampung pembesar jawa . hubungan dinasti qing dengan indonesia (kala itu belum indonesia) berbeda dengan hubungan dinasti qing dengan myanmar , thailand , myanmar (burma) .tidak ada hubungan bilateral antara qing dengan jawa misalkan , tidak ada raja jawa yang menganut chinese suzerainity. Misi jawa ke Tiongkok juga tidak lebih dari urusan perdagangan. Malah lebih intens hubungan tiongkok dan nusantara di masa Ming . On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 11:11 PM, kenneth.tan501 <kenneth.tan...@yahoo.com>wrote: > > > Memangnya ada keturunan Kuang Hsu di Indonesia ?.Saya sepertinya setengah > percaya karena menurut orang tuaku bahwa ada gerombolan keluarga bangsawan > china yang melarikan diri ke Indonesia dan mereka disembunyikan oleh > pembesar jawa.Apakah mereka ?.Bukankah sejarah tidak mempunyai data dan > informasi yang akurat tentang Kuang Hsu ?.Simpang siurnya informasi tentang > Kuang Hsu dan Pu Yi membuat sejarah bangsa china sampai saat ini belum > terungkap.Jadi disaat saya berumur 59 thn saya penasaran tentang ada yang > mengklaim cicit Kuang Hsu.Saya penasaran ingin bertemu.Apakah saya boleh > bergabung dengan kalian.Mengingat saya sudah tua ?. > > Kata - kata Xi Ci terhadap Zhen Fei... > > " I originally planned to bring you along with us. But you are young and > pretty, and are likely to be raped by the foreign soldiers on the way. I > trust you know what you should do." > > > --- In budaya_tionghua@yahoogroups.com <budaya_tionghua%40yahoogroups.com>, > shinmen takezo <hisashi.mits...@...> wrote: > > > > artikel ini , saya tunda dulu yah tanggapannya , > > > > maaf oneliner > > > > On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 3:15 PM, toyota_man <save_my...@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Teman2, > > > > > > saya baru searching dan menemukan sebuah artikel tentang teka-teki > Selir > > > Zhen. Dapat di akses di: > > > > > > http://people.chinese.cn/en/article/2009-09/27/content_8815.htm > > > > > > Tampaknya ini webpage dari Confusian Institute Online (maaf saya copas) > > > > > > "The Riddle of Zhenfei (Imperial Concubine Zhen)" > > > -http://www.chinese.cn 16:01, September 27, 2009 > > > > > > Water wells in the Imperial Palace in Beijing mostly have small > exquisite > > > pavilions and are surrounded with white marble balustrades. However, > there > > > is a well with a small mouth and only stone brim on the west corridor > of > > > Jingqige Pavilion and inside Zhenshun Gate. This well is called Zhenfei > > > Well. > > > > > > It is said that Zhenfei was persecuted to death by Empress Dowager Cixi > > > because Zhenfei supported Emperor Guangxu to conduct The Hundred Days' > > > Reform. Is this hearsay true or not? > > > > > > Zhenfei entered the Palace Museum in 1899 together with her elder > > > sister-Jinfei. Soon after that, she was granted the title of imperial > > > concubinewhose position was only second to the Empress. Empress Longyu > was > > > the niece of Cixi, but she did not get along well with Guangxu. Zhenfei > was > > > beautiful and young, lively and active, smart and clever, and was > deeply > > > loved by Guangxu. Zhenfei expected that Guangxu could get rid of the > control > > > of Cixi and took back his due power. She also hated the strict rules in > the > > > Palace. She often walked in the Palace dressed in the clothes of > emperor. > > > She also wore men's clothes in front of Guangxu like a handsome and > graceful > > > young Adonais. Those rebellious behaviors of Zhenfei which were > intolerable > > > to Cixi went against the rules in the Palace. But the excuse for Cixi > to > > > punish Zhenfei was that Zhenfei got involved in selling ranks and > titles. > > > > > > In Qing Dynasty, empresses and concubines could receive silver (salary) > > > once a month with the total amount of 1000 Liang of silver for > empresses and > > > 300 Liang of silver for first rank concubines and 200 Liang of silver > for > > > second rank of concubines every year. Zhenfei's grandfather was > > > Yutai-Governor General of Shaanxi and Gansu, and her father Changxu > once > > > held the position of Minister of Hubu (Ministry of Revenue and Sensus), > and > > > her uncle Changshan had been the commissioner of the Army in Guangzhou > for > > > as long as 12 years. Only 300 Liang of silver a year was not sufficient > for > > > Zhenfei who was brought up in such a rich family of high-level > officials. In > > > addition, she did not know how to save money, and she often bestowed > > > eunuchs, therefore she failed to make both ends meet. So she had to > find > > > other ways of earning money. Because concubines in Palace were not > allowed > > > to contact with outside world without permission, Zhenfei asked her > elder > > > brother to help her and cooperated with eunuchs to sell ranks and > titles. > > > Outside the Palace, eunuchs were responsible for external contacts, and > > > inside the Palace, Zhenfei was responsible for dealing with Guangxu. > Zhenfei > > > could get part of the money gained from selling ranks and titles, the > > > remaining were divided by the other people. > > > > > > Before Zhenfei set her foot in selling ranks and titles, the business > was > > > controlled by LI Lianying himself- Cixi's favorite eunuch and Head > Eunuch. > > > LI Lianying Group for selling ranks and titles was definitely not happy > with > > > Zhenfei, and the people in this group all reported against of their > > > opponent-Zhen Zhu'er (master)-to Cixi. Cixi was angry about that. After > > > severely scolding Guangxu, Cixi relegated Zhenfei and Jinfei to the > position > > > of Guiren (a lower level of concubine). In addition, Zhenfei was put in > > > house arrest. After that Zhenfei and Guangxu could not meet each other. > In > > > accordance with the record in "Draft History of the Qing Dynasty: Zhuan > of > > > Concubines": "Zhenfei was disobedient to Cixi for criticizing her > > > extravagant habit and had many requirements, thus Zhenfei was relegated > to > > > the position of Guiren". It seems that the record in "Draft History of > the > > > Qing Dynasty" referred to this event. More than 60 eunuchs related to > this > > > event were sentenced to death, and Zhenfei's elder brother fled to > Shanghai > > > for shelter. This event happened in 1894, 4 years prior to The Hundred > Days' > > > Reform (1898). > > > > > > On July 20th 1900, Eight-nation Alliance was invading Beijing, and Cixi > > > forced Emperor to flee to Xi'an with her. Before their leave, Cixi > ordered > > > Zhenfei to be taken out of prison secretly and brought in front of her. > Cixi > > > ordered Zhenfei to commit suicide by jumping into a well, her excuse > was > > > that it was inconvenient to take her along with them to Xi'an and she > might > > > cause some problems for her beauty and youth to stay in the Palace. > Zhenfei > > > refused to do so but required to see the emperor, thus Dowager Cixi > finally > > > ordered eunuchs to throw Zhenfei into a well. Since the mouth of the > well > > > was quite small, it took some effort for Cixi's leading eunuch CUI > Yugui and > > > his subordinates to throw Zhenfei into the well. The young life of > Zhenfei > > > who was only 24 years old was ended in this well just like that. > > > > > > There might be true love between Guangxu and Zhenfei, and it was > reality > > > that Zhenfei used Guangxu to sell ranks and titles. But from Zhenfei's > words > > > and deeds such as her love from Guangxu left the Empress being ignored, > her > > > discontent with Cixi's involvement in affairs of the state, and her > offense > > > of rules in Palace, we can see that her tragic fate was predetermined > at the > > > moment when she entered the Palace. What had fallen into the well was > not > > > only the body of Zhenfei, but the sadness and helplessness of > Guangxu-the > > > Emperor of the state. That also represented that a dynasty was not far > from > > > falling. "The people of the ancient time had gone, But, until now, the > water > > > of Yishui still remains as cold as ever." Similarly, the people of > later > > > generations still deeply sigh in face of the ripples in that well of > ancient > > > time…… > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
