Sorry if I was not clear: I was talking about 3 15-pointers and of course not 3 1-pointers which would be to less. But 3 11-pointers would be also good for us. As a newcomer, we will of course accept the decision of the participants of the last years. So make a decision with bgblitz and we will accept it.
Talking about our bot, it will in fact play random games to decide it's next move. But we will of course have a strategy to manage the random games in order to play games which starts with logical sequences of moves. -----Message d'origine----- De : motiv4u [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : mardi 8 mai 2007 9:30 À : 'François Van Lishout'; 'Frank Berger'; 'Adrian Wright' Cc : 'Chaslot G (MICC)'; 'gnubg (E-mail)' Objet : RE: Computer Olympiad Hello François, For GNU Backgammon, at the time being, I only participate in person, thus Adrian Wright (and the gnubg development team) should have the last word in this one. Yet I'd like to point out: Longer matches and more matches played tend to favorite the strongest player, as luck becomes less and less envolved. Playing best out of 3 1-pointers shouldn't be the scenario for designating Olympiade's Gold Medal Winner. The previous scenarios had best out of 5 15-pointers. I think best out of 3 11-pointers is a reasonable draw-back, considering the expected playing time of your bot will exceed the playing time of gnubg and BgBlitz by a factor X. And X might be? Even playing at 4ply on an old Pentium Celeron IV 2GHz, gnubg moves within 5 minutes. Extremo or WorldClass settings - and even GrandMaster setting - make decisions within 1 minute, allowing 1,000 moves withing the time window of the 16 hours you forsee at the Amsterdam Olympiade. Thus time isn't the issue for gnubg. And talking about your bot: do I understand correctly it will play on-line matches to define it's next move? Greetings, motiv4u Nardy Pillards > -----Original Message----- > From: François Van Lishout [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 5:59 PM > To: 'Frank Berger'; 'motiv4u'; 'Adrian Wright' > Cc: 'Chaslot G (MICC)' > Subject: RE: Computer Olympiad > > Hello, > > I have talked with Mark Winands and he says that he allows > two instances of the programs to run simultaneously. Of > course two machines are needed and two operators. The spirit > of the competition is to play as many games as possible. 2 > days of competition are enough for us too. In the morning, we > will participate to the workshop, so Mark proposes to start > around 1 pm each day. We would have a maximum of 16 hours of > playing time (8 hours per day). > > I'm currently writing a Backgammon program with Guillaume > Chaslot. He works at the University of Maastricht and is the > author of one of the best Go program of the world which is > based on a new Monte Carlo approach. We decided for about one > month to try this approach also on the Backgammon and see > what happens. We are still developing the program focusing on > ways to compute the random games as fast as possible. We thus > do not now yet if it can lead to a strong program or not. We > will use the championship as a test bed of the strength of a > Monte Carlo approach vs a learning approach in games. In > future works, it can of course be envisaged to use a > combination of both. > > We should also discuss about the thinking time. As far as I > know, for you it is not important as the learning has been > done offline and your program plays very fast. Our program > however will play better if it plays lots of online random > games... We are thus favourable to shorten to best of 3 so > that we have more time for each single game. > > What do you think about all this ? > > Guillaume Chaslot > François Van Lishout > > > -----Message d'origine----- > De : Frank Berger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : > vendredi 4 mai 2007 18:13 À : > [EMAIL PROTECTED]; motiv4u; Adrian Wright Objet : Computer Olympiad > > Hello Mr. van Lishout, hello Adrina, hello Nardy, > > @Mr. van Lishout: Mark Winands from the ICGA mailed me that > you want to participate with your programm in the Backgammon > event at the Computer Olympiad. That's great news. After just > two programms in 2003, 2003 and 2006 another competitor! > > In the past we always settled on the mode of the competition. > We always played at two days and 15.6/16.6 seems a good date > for it (just one holyday needed). > > In 2006 due to faster algo / computers we needed for 4 > 15-point matches IIRC 8-9 hours. Having 3 sequential matches > looks hard to put in 2 days. Maybe if Nardy and Adrian are > both there, we could have two instances of GnuBG (or BGBlitz) > running so we need only two days (if the organizer allows > this)? Or we might shorten from best of 5 to best of three. > Or best of 5 with a shorter length. Or play 3 days (15-17?). > > What is your opinion? > > > @Mr. van Lishout: And finally: naturally I'm curious. Could > you reveal some informations about your program? > > Tot ziens > Frank Berger > No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.5/793 - Release Date: 7/5/2007 14:55 _______________________________________________ Bug-gnubg mailing list [email protected] http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnubg
